6.8 NGSW composite case ammo by True Velocity selected by U.S..Army for testing

[JF89 (Joseph)]

@Nick

The hard part is the politics of redistribution getting in the way of what is best. Just like the adoption of the AR. Or should I say failure to adopt and sabotaging the test so your friends can keep their jobs.

The gubberment rushed the M16 onto the field with ill intent. I would say that should have been taken far more serious.

Why I Despise the M14...

What Happened with the M16 in Vietnam?

[Nick]

The gubberment rushed the M16 onto the field with ill intent. I would say that should have been taken far more serious.

That is what I was thinking about.

[JF89 (Joseph)]

@Nick

That is what I was thinking about.

Then I agree completely

[Comanchero45 (John Galt)]

Okay, cool on the weight savings, but my big question is what happens to this stuff under sustained full auto fire?
Is it going to start leaving crap behind on the chamber walls? Will this end up like the lacquer cased Ammo fiasco of not too terribly long ago?
I’d hate to be the grunt in a firefight that finds out that his LMG or AR is now jamming due to plastic fouling.
Maybe I’m just paranoid, but I’d rather carry fewer brass cased rounds that actually work than a crap ton of plastic ammo that doesn’t.

[Chuparosa (James)]

@Comanchero45

I’d rather carry fewer brass cased rounds that actually work than a crap ton of plastic ammo that doesn’t

^ This

[switchpod (AJ)]

@Comanchero45

Will this end up like the lacquer cased Ammo fiasco of not too terribly long ago?

Good question to ask. I use a lot of 7.62x38 wolf poly coated ammunition and I have run it very hot and have not vet had an issue with it leaving poly in the chamber.

You can test this with a spent case and a torch. At the temperature it takes to melt the polymer off, if that same temp would be in the chamber of let’s say an AR-15 then in most cases the gas tube most likely would have blown off.

Yes lacquer cases can leave behind melted lacquer but this is also in extreme cases.

AK-74 Meltdown!

8:40 keep in mind this was on full auto for an extended period.

[Comanchero45 (John Galt)]

I watched that video before…good stuff! A little crazy, but good lol!
I’ve never had issues with either poly or lacquer in my AKs, but I don’t run them like the military would
I’m just curious if this polymer cased stuff will start to melt if you’re using it like a SAW gunner would in an all out nasty situation that sometimes happens when you’ve got too many bad guys and you’re praying for air support to get there…not under those laboratory test conditions conducted by the manufacturers lol.

[switchpod (AJ)]

Yeah like I said it’s extremely important that they get this right. I like brass personality myself.

I don’t know the type of plastic true velocity uses but I do know Ryton has some plastic that can operate to 500 degrees F

Time will tell for this technology and the past attempts didn’t look all that bright.

[JF89 (Joseph)]

This is probably much cheaper for the military since they dont reload, right? I mean budget is thier biggest concern most of the time.

[switchpod (AJ)]

Yeah. And saving on weight for transport.

[rjburk (randall b.)]

the ammo cost will be way high compared to brass cased ammo…will it swell and stick in a hot dirty chamber ? how easy/hard to damage while loading ? I don’t see this working anytime soon…

[Belt-Fed (Rick)]

I can believe the ammo will be plastic one day, the guns are about all plastic now.

[rjburk (randall b.)]

I can see a new bolt action Sniper rifle firing a 140 at 3200fps, but I don’t see that hot of a load working for a standard combat rifle, barrel life will not be good, imagine a platoon of Grunts in a firefight going through magazines as fast as possible with that ammo…barrels will be drooping and rifles will be failing…just one mag dump will have it smoking…

[JF89 (Joseph)]

@rjburk

ammo cost will be way high compared to brass

Only initially not long term unless I’m missing something here. Polymer is much cheaper

[Robert]

@Caw

I’m missing something here

Taxes

don’t forget everything ammo is made from is killing the earth, so it must be taxed as such, you know, to help

[switchpod (AJ)]

@Robert

ammo is made from is killing the earth,

“You stole my future” -GT

[JF89 (Joseph)]

[rjburk (randall b.)]

I am not sure about that, not sure if the polymer is as strong after being used then recycled as brass would be, I think the whole idea is to make it easier to make, but with a 140 bullet compared to a 62 and the extra powder I don’t see it being cheaper at any point…it will be government contract made ammo and probably not but one company is even making it and what would the cost be to tool up to make it if another company or two jumped in to bid on making it, spend a few hundred million to tool up and then not get the contract…I don’t see any cost savings to the taxpayer…

[m1919a6er (Steve V.)]

I doubt we need a new rifle, doa barrel change to something like a 6.5mm for example, same with the ammo… there are plenty of good calibers that can ko someone a long way off. Taxpayers will be footing the bill for another ammo factory with any new ammo. The AR platform is a versatile one and can serve us for sometime to come…

[0null00 (Nole)]

@Comanchero45

it going to start leaving crap behind on the chamber wal

Does that happen with shotgun shells?