AR Pistol Changes by ATF

Attack by ATF Just In.
Thanks to Guns and Gadgets

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Good to know, thank you.

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Are ATF rules even binding as law?
How did anyone other than Congress get into the law making business?

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:hole: :rabbit2:

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ATF Interprets.
They do it anyway they please until someone calls them on their shi#.
Until that happens we get shafted.
And if you don’t think these people are Jack Booted Thugs then think again.

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Ugh. Just when I was tempted to get an AR pistol too with my quarterly bonus. I’m gonna avoid that now because I can see AR pistols being the prime target over the next few years.

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Something I have wondered about, is whether or not muzzle devices are included in measuring overall length on an AR pistol.

On one hand, it would seem they would include the muzzle device, because it is not something that can be removed without tools.

On the other hand, it is not included in measuring barrel length on a rifle or carbine, unless it is permanently attached (pin & weld, or silver solder). If the ATF was consistent in their interpretations of the rules, then a muzzle device on an AR pistol would not be included in the measurement, but the ATF doesn’t have a reputation of being consistent about anything (other than being a general PITA).

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This is one more piece of their convoluted way into the Rabbit Hole @Robert diagrammed above. Evidence of a burdensome bureaucracy creating more “rules” based on one law by Congress NFA like a pack of prairie dogs tunnels.

They also must show activity to justify the huge budget slice they get.

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Good to know. I don’t have an AR pistol nor have I any interest in one, but it’s always good to share this so we can avoid running afoul of the law.

So it appears this is a letter from the ATF further interpreting its own rules. Interesting that this interpretation came out during this administration. But maybe it’s because AR pistols weren’t as predominant in the past and are now being scrutinized given their growing popularity nowadays?

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ok so my ar15 pistol has an angled grip not a vertical and a brace. Its 27 1/2 inches form back of brace to end of flash hider. Am I good?

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it sounds as though Law Tactical folder device will be illegal on a pistol along with Dead Foot Arms…using one of those easily gets it below 26 inches…

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angled grip has always been ok…you should be good…

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my AR9 is 23 3/4,arm brace extended…guess I now have a NFA item ?

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That’s exactly what they want you to do. So using the same misguided logic, might as well get rid of all your other guns too. :roll_eyes:

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I predict that anything AR will become a prime target over the next few years…including complete uppers, drop-in triggers, various types of furniture, ammo restrictions, etc, etc. The AR days are numbered, my friends.

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Maybe I am reading this wrong. All I see is how they measure reguarding a vertical front hand grip. Not that the pistol just became a AOW. Vertical front handgrip below a certin length makes it a AOW. They just changed the way they measure. Dont put a vertical front grip on it and you are good to go.
BTW love my AR pistols. Have more of them than rifles.

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Low hanging fruit, anti’s would get a win banning anything with AR in the title and like the bumpstock, not enough people that care in the gun community. I might be getting a few stamps just to avoid any confusion.

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CDNN just put on P716 308 win. barrels for $49.99, good start on a cheap but substantial pistol!
https://www.cdnnsports.com/sig-sauer-716-12-5in-308-chrome-lined-barrel.html#.XSEM6-hKjb0

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So basically nothing has changed. It’s “always” been the case that adding a vertical foregrip to a handgun turned it into a violation of the NFA. At least as I knew it. Yes, no?

Hey, I don’t like it any more than anyone else, but I don’t see it as a change. It also isn’t “law”; ATF can’t make law, it’s a rule. But rules by ATF can land you in jail. That needs to be tested in court IMO.

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The only thing that changed as I see it is how they measure the overall length. If you use a folder the measurement stops at the rear of the receiver. Using an adjustable length brace the measurement stops at the end of the buffer tube.

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