Batteries not included

I just wanted to know if any one else has taken into consideration the environment of a collapsed society, or maybe a more primitive one. In my time I have had the pleasure of working with some snipers mostly from the Vietnam war. During training exercises hours can pass and all you move is 100 yards and maybe get to range features during the creation of your range card. The point is in my experience it is difficult to rely on batteries. Case in point. Here is my wind meter. No batteries! Certain terrain has no flags or trees to read from and it’s nice to have something to work with. This will read 0-35 mph wind in increments of 1 mph. Food for thought I hope.

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This is why I like using Iron sights alot when shooting. Its crazy how many people cant shoot for shit when their optic goes down.

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I love analog/low tech. I navigate with hand bearing compasses and paper charts. And, being a lake sailor, I can pretty well judge wind speed from watching the water and things on shore.

But I have to say, I have never, when hunting, measured the wind with a mechanical or electrical device before taking a shot. Granted - I hunt and get close. But thereafter I rely on the hair in my ears, leaves, pollen, snow, grasses, etc. to gauge the wind direction and relative velocity. When you approach from downwind the crosswinds become less relevant. :wink:

The next step beyond not relying on batteries is to not rely on stuff. :love_you_gesture:

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I’m all about the analog instruments. Don’t think, in a SHTF situation, you’re going to be able to just swing by Radio Shack for supplies. Although, i agree with Stumpkiller… I don’t measure the wind. I have seen it do crazy stuff with flags at the range. I load a heavy bullet and do my best to avoid the crosswind.

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I honestly don’t mind having electronics on my kit. As much as I hate the term, electro-optics, lights, lasers, GPS, radio, all sorts of tactical toys are really good “force multipliers”. I always carry spares, and try to keep the batteries to a single type across the board. They’re not an issue as long as you keep your mind about it, just like you would anything else.

That is a pretty cool wind meter though, but I don’t see how it would be helpful at a distance. Yea, the wind where you are is important, but you have to make a wind call at the target too. Still, pretty neat.

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I guess my question is going to be does any one train unconventionally any more?
@Caw trains with iron sights and in this day and age I would say that is unconventional for rifle use, but it’s still a very valuable skill set, and I use them as well.
I haven’t used that wind gauge in 3 years, in my area there are trees everywhere and like @Stumpkiller and @KeithP I estimate and use a hold off. The wind gauge is a training tool. Like this


So is there anyone that uses unconventional methods,or tools that work in the field?

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Yeah using electronic technology is a huge leg up and I will always use it. I feel that it is essential to not rely on it, so in the event of open circuits you have a Back up plan.

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Iron sights are more fun anyways, maybe im just naturally primitive.:unamused:

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Or you just like a challenge!

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I was reading a post apocalyptic novel recently and after society had collapsed, money didn’t mean anything anymore, batteries had become the new medium of exchange.

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Interesting concept.
Did the novel make any reference to battery shelf life?

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https://youtu.be/idJklVyn5PE

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Good movie.

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I agree. Modern technology is a blessing and a curse.

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I whilole heartdly agree with this
As a society we depend on tech way too much
For example tech don’t skin deer
Tech don’t render fat for soap or candles

That being said I have some tech stuff yes and it’s nice but I train and make my kids learn the old way
People survived in this planet for thousands of years with out tech
Sad part is most wont be able to survive this time

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No batteries

With battery

  • Both of these items go out into the field with me when I go hunting.
  • Both items are proven wind indicators.
  • One is the back up over the other.
  • One is also a phone charger for my cell phone.
  • And one provides a better wind indication while in the dark when hunting nighttime predators, such as coyotes.

I’m more of an archer than any other type of hunter, however I also hunt coyotes with my Savage .308 & 12 gauge Beretta Semi-Auto.

Some shots will be within 50 yards, which calls for my shotgun and others may range from 100 clear out to approximately 500 yards, and that’s when I pull out my .308 rifle.

I always do my best to stay down wind from everything that I hunt and those tools help me to do just that.

Most long range shots I have taken have been in the very early or later parts of the day into the night hours where the wind was a non issue for the most part.

I too feel that I have excellent judgement on wind speed and direction because of my years of experience hunting & fishing in the great outdoors.

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“Did the novel make any reference to battery shelf life?”
Not that I recall.
Because good batteries were so rare, it made them useful as a currency substitute
Like gold and silver before them, batteries were rare, scarce and easily divisible.
The very definition of money before we forgot the difference between money and the promise of money.

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Lots of dust on this thread.

I need to start saving dead primary cells to use them as currency.

FWIW, there are rechargeables and as long as there’s light they can be charged from a portable PV panel. Many of us old SOBs absolutely must have optics. Today there are optics that use light to not charge the internal cells (wouldn’t that be nice!) but to run the optic with or without a working cell. All of my SHTF firearms wear one of those if it’s not 'scoped.

I’m a huge believer in map , compass, and altimeter, but I don’t shun a GPS. I just don’t trust them since they can be scrambled and turned off.

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Very good point and one to consider.

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Us old SOBs have had to come up with solutions to make up for our physical losses. Since I must have optics any required cells are stockpiled and kept in the freezer at -20°. When one is removed to ambient temp’ it gets replaced and the shelf life begins counting down again on the one brought into the warmth. But buy the right cells and the shelf life is already extremely long w/o the freezer.

But finding the solar powered sights has been the biggest boon. A buddy that I shoot with has had his battery powered sight crap out in the middle of shooting 3x that I can remember over the years. I have yet to change my cell and it’s been chugging along for 3 years now. Even if the cell shits itself I don’t shoot in the dark so there is light enough to power the thing. Holosun is what I’ve been buying and none of them has ever been a problem for me. But I recently saw another PV powered brand. Think I can remember it? Not a chance. OK, on my buddies sight? I’m sure he got a good deal on it and it’s USA made, but it’s a battery hog. Pay a little more $ into it and get state of the art if your firearm will be used to preserve life (aka don’t expect crap to work as it should).

I once had a buddy who bought really nice firearms and then he’d save $ by putting shit optics on them. He brought one such rig over to shoot on my range one bright sunny day. He pointed out the various reticles and colors available. Only one problem… the reticle couldn’t be seen over the bright sun. I have one sight like that, it’s old. I was going to use it for Steel Challenge and had it not had the same brightness problem it would have been great. But it sits in the safe just waiting for some childs BB gun. It works fine indoors.

I’m rambling. That tells me that I need to stop.

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