Best way to not have your rights violated, know the law.

Open Carry Bullet'n Board
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Thats pretty damn interesting, why no video footage?

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There’s a video there.

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yep, I see the video, there kinda ganging up on the guy. seems he does pretty well. I would have showed em my ID thou. I know they get calls and have to respond. and seeing a guy toting an AR15 down the road is suspicious to most folks.

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Here’s the thing, in Wisconsin ID can not be demanded unless RAS of a crime can be shown. They demanded ID, the carriers asked if they committed a crime. The LEO brought up disorderly. Wisconsin law spells out that the act of openly carrying a firearm, any firearm is not cause for DC or even being asked for ID yourself. The LEOs tried to push the issue with threats of arrest and seizure of property. The carriers were will within their legal rights, and knew it.

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I agree they was within their rights, I just always like cooperating with police. showing an ID is not going to hurt me. now if they would have ask for something crazy I would have balked.

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This is not people not having their rights violated. This is law abiding citizens being harassed WHILE quoting the law.
This is people committing a legal activity and having to defend themselves in a fight for their freedom.
This is what having your rights violated looks like.

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I’ve had many interactions, all positive. It’s not hard, and non involved me providing ID. They walk up to me I smile, put out my hand and say hi, I’m Dan. All positive after that. These LEOs walked up and escalated right from the start. If they felt the need to make contact, the best way to do so would be Hi guys, hey, we got some calls about you so we just wanted to make contact. We see there’s no issue here so you have a great day. The end.

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In some states you’re required to provide ID if any peace officer asks for it. I thought it was everywhere but apparently not. I’m going to have to look that up.

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In CA, you are not required to identify yourself unless you’re driving or the police have reasonable suspicion that there’s been a crime. Huh, who knew?

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Funny how they don’t mention that.

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It is so typical that LE does not know the law they are to enforce.
It should be part of their training they attend.
Just like when we submit to training to get a CCL.

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Huh, this is all I see the whole way through… :thinking:

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Don’t know what to tell ya, I’ve been talking to perhaps a hundred people about this video.

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Police are trained to get you to give up your rights. They may not even understand that is what they are doing. When they ask you for your ID (outside of driving) or ask you for permission to search your car or come inside your house, anything they see, hear or observe is now admissable in court.
Another interesting fact is that they can lie to you all day long without penalty (Joe Blow already told me that you did this. You should come clean now. I’ll work with you.) But it is a crime to lie to the government in any form.

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Epic.

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Texas is, and they don’t play around here.

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So why should the people carrying be concerned if the policemen have to be called out repeatedly? The law is broken. And the lack of education (of even these police officers) shows the system is broken. If any other call was given around this location, then police NEED to educate the person calling that it has been checked out, and that what is being done IS LEGAL. While I understand the idea of walking down the street with an AR15 over your shoulder WILL cause confrontations - if our country had not gotten to this sick mindset we are in where guns are the enemy, this type of confrontation and grabbing of rights never would occur. When I was younger it was nothing to carry a rifle down the street of my little town on the way to the gunshop. No one panicked, no one looked at you funny, it was just a part of American Heritage and every day life that guns were normal and not the cause of evil. Anyone else remember how every pickup truck used to have a gun rack in the back window with rifles in it?

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I would guess that about 50% of the cars and trucks in my area have a gun of some kind in them at all times. Just not in plain sight anymore.

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Getting really hard to call these guys good guys…

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