Civil War thread

The last civil war thread that I could find dealt mostly with VA, so time to start a new one.

The following I didn’t write, it came to me in an email. I think it’s pretty accurate.

Bob Livingston Alerts

There are a lot of assumptions and misconceptions when it comes to the notion of a second civil war within the U.S.

What I see most often is the argument that the political left has “already won” the war without firing a shot, and that a rebellion would be crushed under the heel of a newly a-wokened military-industrial complex and a leftist controlled federal government. The problem is this argument is extremely naive and ignores the bigger picture.

I think there are a couple of reasons why people press the leftist supremacy theory: First, they greatly fear the idea of a kinetic war breaking out and find the concept of combat repellent. So, they act as if a shooting war cannot ever be won and even considering the possibility is “stupid.” They hide their cowardice behind a veil of false analysis and thin promises of passive resistance. They figure that if they can’t fight and win, then no one else can fight and win.

Second, one of the primary functions of 4th Generation (psychological) warfare is to convince a target population that “resistance is futile.” If you can make them believe that winning is impossible, then they may not fight at all, and thus the prophecy is self-fulfilling.

Luckily this method of propaganda does not seem to be working on a large number of Americans, but the threat goes far beyond leftist acolytes. The bottom line is this — while the extreme cultism of leftists is relegated to a small percentage of the population, they are supported by almost every major institution in our nation. The federal government supports and protects them. Some state and local governments support and protect them. The media avidly sings their praises. Most corporations and Big Tech platforms support them and spread social justice doctrine along with them. And all globalist foundations support them, organize them and even fund them.

All the people that the political left used to consider evil are now on their side. This is the reality. By extension, this gives their small cult unprecedented social power and a number of weapons to use when they desire to threaten people who disagree with them. The social justice warriors have spent a lot of time trying to censor and shut down conservative platforms and voices, but they actually expend most of their energy keeping their own side in line.

There are many moderate democrats that have a distaste for the lunacy of SJWs, but many are so afraid of being labeled heretics, racists, fascists, etc. that they keep their mouths shut or support draconian policies because they think they have to in order to defend their political “team.” The limp-wristed moderates and old-school democrats that go along to get along are almost as big a problem as the hardcore leftists.

This is how we end up with around half the country in support of vaccine passport mandates, a totalitarian agenda which would give government complete control over the health decisions of individual Americans, complete control over how businesses operate and who they are allowed to hire and complete control over the economic participation of the average citizen. Vaccine passports are the ultimate power to decide the life and death of individuals and their families. And, not surprisingly, the political left and democrats are by far the biggest group backing the government and the globalists on this agenda.

This places our nation in a difficult position; the political left desperately wants to control the lives of others while conservatives and some moderates just want to be left alone. We are at an impasse. We cannot share the same spaces; we cannot share the same government and we may not even be able to share the same landmass. Our ideals are mutually exclusive. We believe in freedom and individual responsibility, and they simply do not.

Make no mistake, an outright conflict is coming in the U.S., and the people in alternative media circles that fear it need to come to terms with that fear and accept the inevitability of war. The sooner they do this the sooner they can take action to mitigate the damage to their families and communities. There will come a day very soon when you will have to defend your freedoms and the freedoms of future generations with your life. Embrace it and move on.

The amount of strength attributed to leftists by some conservatives is a little bizarre. Certainly, their social power is extensive in that all major U.S. institutions aid them in their efforts to harm others. That said, when it comes down to it the left is a paper tiger, a mirage, a pufferfish bloating itself in the hopes that its much larger enemies will not take a bite out of it. In the event of civil war the political left would be annihilated easily.

A woke military? Let’s not get ahead of ourselves…

The most prominent claim being made that leftists would win revolves around the new woke propaganda being spread by the Department of Defense in the form of recruitment ads. Firstly, polling of military personnel shows around 30 percent identify as Republican and 40 percent identify as Independent, with the majority of the independents being Libertarians and Constitutionalists. In other words, 70 percent of the U.S. military leans conservative in their principles.

The military brass going hard left is meaningless if the majority of soldiers are not going to follow them into battle to oppress their own people. We are seeing this already in terms of the current serving who are refusing to take the experimental COVID vaccines. Polling in the summer suggested that at least 50 percent of soldiers would refuse to take the mRNA vax. The DoD claims that at least 70 percent of soldiers are now vaccinated, but this is unconfirmed and probably an exaggeration designed to manufacture a false consensus. We will soon know the real stats because the Biden administration is threatening “dishonorable discharges” for soldiers that refuse to comply.

The argument here is that with conservatives leaving the military in droves, this opens the door to a fully woke military of the far left. This assumption presupposes that woke leftists actually want to join the military or that they are capable of meeting the bare minimum standards. They are not.

Over 75 percent of Americans ages 18-24 are ineligible for the U.S. military because of lack of education, obesity, physical problems, psychological problems and criminal history. This negates 24 million people from the 34 million in this age range for recruitment. Since 70 perent of the military is conservative/libertarian, this means that either more young conservatives are healthy enough to pass the recruitment phase, or, far more conservatives are interested in volunteering, or it could be both factors combined.

In any case, just because 30-50 percent of soldiers leave in the face of the vaccine mandates, this does not mean that the void will be filled by leftists. In fact, it is likely that the void will not be filled at all, and the military will be left to stagnate as recruitment collapses. The pool of talent is already small, and the DoD just shrank their options by at least 30 percent more.

To summarize, there will never be a woke U.S. military. The institution would collapse before it ever reached such a “lofty” goal.

Biden’s vaccine mandates are in a way highly beneficial for conservatives and freedom advocates because they are forcing the current serving off the fence. Soldiers will now be required to consider what liberties they are willing to violate just to stay in the military, because it’s not going to stop with a couple of forced vaccinations, it’s going to escalate. We may see a massive influx of discharged soldiers joining the liberty movement in the near future because of Biden’s totalitarian behaviors.

Conservatives own the gun culture and firearms training

Beyond the military, U.S. gun culture is dominated by conservatives. Leftists are slowly beginning to realize that being anti-gun is sabotaging their own agendas, and many started buying firearms because of the primal terror they felt in the face of the Orange Man. But owning guns is not the same thing as knowing how to use them. It would take leftist many years, perhaps decades to catch up to the pure knowledge base that conservatives have when it comes to firearms and tactical training. These things have been passed down through conservative families for generations. And, again, most combat veterans are also conservative.

This is not to say that there are no leftists out there that are firearms proficient. I’m sure there are a few. But most of the time when leftists get together with guns the results are either painfully embarrassing or dangerous. Just check out this video from Angry Cops on the BLM-inspired “Not F$%king Around Coalition” (NFAC) group. Not only do they end up shooting each other, but their representatives don’t even understand the basics of how their own rifles function when they argue that the shooting was the “gun’s fault.”

And let’s not forget the good old “John Brown Gun Club” and their rockin’ recruitment videos that made us choke on our own laugh tears a few years ago. The leftists are shockingly inept when it comes to guns and combat skills. They are a minimal threat to conservatives if civil war is the issue.

You can’t win if you’re not willing to die for what you believe in

Leftists are adamant about their ideologies, and they are keenly interested in demanding other people die for the cause. But, when they are forced to face personal risk to achieve their directives, they will usually run. You can see this in the mob confrontation with Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha; a horde of leftists was perfectly willing to chase him down with the intention of killing him, but when he turned to fight and a few of them got shot (including a convicted pedo), their enthusiasm suddenly evaporated.

Why do they run? Because their religious fervor for Marxism is an act. It’s not real. Deep down, they don’t even believe in what they are doing, and this is what separates freedom fighters from all other armed forces. We accept the possibility of death and fight in the face of overwhelming odds because the goal of freedom is worth it. Most authoritarians and useful idiots, when faced with dying for their ideology, will abandon the cause. They have entered the fight with a built-in disadvantage.

The real fight will not be with average Marxist leftists

Half the states in the U.S. now have some form of anti-mandate laws or executive orders in place. Half the country is vehemently against vaccine passports. If Biden continues on his current path, a soft secession of red states will begin, and the mandates will be ignored. This will leave Biden with a handful of options. He will invariably seek to punish red states by cutting off federal funds, and when that doesn’t work, he will have to put boots on the ground and use Orwellian methods to round up dissidents.

Should civil war erupt (and I’m positive at this point that this is unavoidable), leftists will not last long. The majority of veterans and a large portion of the military are not going to fight against their own people, and they may even step in to assist us. A large number of police and sheriffs are also conservative and are unlikely to intervene. So, the question is, who is willing to die for leftists and their cult? I suspect not many.

But the people behind the leftist movement have a vested interest in eliminating conservative ideals and heritage. Globalist institutions working with the Biden administration will surely seek to intervene. They will call us “white supremacists” even though many conservatives are black and brown. They will call us evil nationalists, even though there is nothing wrong with a national identity that values freedom. They will say we are “insurrectionists” even though we will be acting in self-defense against an authoritarian regime. They will call us terrorists while using terrorist tactics and false flags against us. And they will claim that we are far too dangerous to be allowed to maintain our own nation or our own states.

Their main rationale will fall to the U.S. nuclear arsenal. They will claim that a nation of terrorists cannot be allowed to possess nuclear weapons, and at the first sign that Biden (or Kamala) is losing control, there will be a call for UN intervention. Count on it. An international force would be organized to try to stop us from existing. This is where the real fight would begin.

The political left is a footnote, and while we should continue to remain vigilant as they push their agenda, it is important to remember that there are much bigger fish to fry and we need to plan for the next dozen battles, not just the first. How we conduct ourselves from here on may determine whether or not freedom survives for many decades to come.

To truth and knowledge,

Brandon Smith


excellent post.
Regarding this quote; Someone at the bar said something (i had heard before) “so do you have some fantasy where you get to kill a bunch of cops or soldiers coming to your home?”

I said “no, but do you have some sick fantasy of seeing cops and soldiers coming to my home to strip me of my constitutional rights?
And in this fantasy do you somehow believe i am not willing to die on my feet at my home instead of some black site prison in my old age, because that IS a hill i am happy to die on.
I have no thought that me being killed will be the reason a rebellion will ensue, but it WILL be a reason more people will be ready to take my place.”
I’m too old and beat up to really give a damn anymore.
My only hope is to take out as many anti-americans as the FF would hope me capable of.


Precisely why I shoot competitively.

I’m in a similar condition to yours. I’m old, can’t run far, and don’t give a shit. But if they come to me they’ll figure out their retirement really sux . If enough people do the same very soon they run out of jackbooted thugs.


Some of the things discussed in the text above. In the first video weapon safety is discussed. Please be sure you’re seated when watching it. I don’t you to fall over from laughing too hard. The second video is a range day with the John Brown Gun Club (antifa?), they are the left. If it doesn’t look like anything that goes on at your gun club, well, there’s a reason for that.


Let’s start here:

“Nearly every government that goes to war underestimates its duration, neglects to tally all the costs, and overestimates the political objectives that can be accomplished by the use of brute force .” – The Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs ( source )

JWR lays out some basics of what he calls the 3rd Gulf War - The 2nd American Civil War.

A little Game Theory can be a dangerous thing. The comments after the prove at least as illuminating.

And from a ‘Red Team Planner’ (Poser?) Interesting post and once again, especially the comments posted after. Some very good Memes there too.


You ever wonder how they get a range to shoot on?

The John Brown Gun Club took over the range that I shoot at about a year or two ago. They run a number of ranges here in the North West.

They took over the one that I go to by first having a firearms instructor rent out the range once a month to teach women’s only safety classes. Then, with the new influx of female shooters, they put forth a vote to add a Women’s Entity position to the range board for female representation. After that, they voted for one day a week women’s only range time in addition to the now once every two weeks women’s only safety classes. Then a once a month women’s only three gun session… and on… and on… until it became difficult to know when the men could even shoot. If at any point a person objected, then that person was sexist. Finally, we needed even more female and people of color representation on the board. Too many white men running things.

Then we needed to be more open to the trans and LGBTQ+ community. They didn’t feel welcome in our gun club. They needed representation. We needed trans and LGBTQ+ on our board. We needed safety classes for them too. They need special time on the range as well.

The next election cycle for the board ran on the premise that the old white men, who had literally built the range, no longer represented the membership. They needed to go. There is not a single original board member left from the retired folks who had built the range. Most of them have now moved to a better state!

As it turned out, the folks that had wormed their way into power at my range were all John Brown Gun Club folks. They don’t act like or shoot like the people in the above videos any more. At least not at my range. They are well organized, well funded, and surprising good at paper work.


Another perfect example of why you never underestimate your enemy.
Better to act as if they are the best operation on the planet, figure out how you would defeat them if they were, and respond accordingly.
These people have darn near taken over and completely ruined our once great nation because we never thought that a bunch of whacko nutjob commies could ever gain enough traction to do anything serious. Well, here we are. :man_shrugging:t4:


"if you don’t think that the rebels will send in instigators into the cities–or worse, stand alone actors (A Lone Wolf on steroids. Think Timothy McVeigh, but instead of one van they have a whole fleet of them. "

I am quite shocked we haven’t seen a lot more planes flying into fed buildings, rider trucks, motorhomes, etc.


Google belarus federal agent shot dead by software engineer.


:rage: :rage: :rage:


Now the question is are we?



Depends, some places more than others. Anybody competing, talking with folks there about reactions and comms? Talking to neighbors and local Sheriff?


I thought that would bring up the video. It is on crazyshitdotcom. (i cannot post link here, it has some porn on the site as well). It shows the It guy and Gf filming from the inside, armed and video footage from outside, shot from the feds. They storm in and he nails at least 1.

If you want to see it, go to the “user upload” section of the site at the top and scroll down.

From ABC news: