Fighting for freedom, From Hong Kong to Chile, people want we are giving up

I stand, fuck communist…
Sorry your business is being effected. But Ibwould much rather have them keep their freedom and have a bit of a disruption to your business than to have the communist take over.


^ This.


I am not for communism, either, but I am also not for gratuitous violence.

Lest ye forget, China already owns HK. And come 2047, there won’t be anything to stop China from implementing whatever form of government they want in HK.

I just don’t think any of the violence, or business and transportation disruptions, are helping at all.

HK had the “occupy Central” protest in 2014. It was quite peaceful, though hundreds of thousands of people protested. Too bad the current protesters couldn’t mimic that.


They tried and were met with increasing violence from the Hong Kong police.


,People better start to wake up to the fact that we may not be very far from this very thing here. Also was it gratuitous violence when some of the greatest men and minds of the time sacrificed their businesses, their savings, their families, their very lives to secure a more perfect form of government? I don’t think it was, but we may again have to see if there are such virtuous people in this nation in the not too distant future.


that is not how I have seen it. they tried and had violence forced on them? uh, no, they chose to become violent, and have aggressively pursued that violence. the police have been far more passive than anything I have seen elsewhere for such confrontations. perhaps if you watched different tv coverage you might get a very different, and more accurate, view.


Networks are like Churches these days, people choose them based on what they want to hear and take them as the gospel truth simply because they exist


well said, @Robert



Somewhat agree, but please keep in mind that the protesters were not sacrificing their own businesses. Instead, they were sacrificing other people’s businesses against those other people’s will. In addition, they have been (and will continue to…?) physically hurting other people - basically anyone that gets in their way or that they think might be against them. They have even killed such people. Again, I can’t see how anyone that knows the truth would or even could, call them freedom fighters or patriots. Thugs, however, does seem to fit the bill.


Truth is skewed by perception, proud boys (freedom fighters/patriots) stood up to antifa, do you care to do the same?


It seems this argument will go on… from my perspective, the only reason you are anti protesters John is because it is directly affecting you and your business.
I do not watch TV or the news. I follow reporters and writers that are at ground zero, filming and reporting. Michael Yan and others.
So I am seeing raw footage, like I have posted at the beginning of the thread. I trust him because I have followed him for over 10 years now, read his book on Afganistan where he was embedded with the troops. Very insightful.
You will not change my mind, and I will most likely not change yours, and that is ok… that is the freedom I see people around the world wanting. The freedom to choose. The voting that just took place in Hong Kong was nearly unanimous in the desire for freedom.



Freedom seekers…

I don’t care to act like I know this situation inside and out

But, aren’t people seeking freedom typically more civil minded, less destructive people?

Weren’t demands made and met already yet this continues violently?

Yeah, communist are the enemy, so why does this not appear to be communist (ANTIFA) organized event to you?

A quick look and 19 & 43 of the 1963 Congressional Record Lists 45 Goals For Communism To Achieve In America seem to fit here perfectly, not discrediting others of course

  1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

  2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

  3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

  4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

  5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

  6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

  7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

  8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

  9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

  10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

  11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

  12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

  13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

  14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

  15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

  16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

  17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

  18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

  19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

  20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

  21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

  22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

  23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

  24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

  25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

  26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

  27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

  28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

  29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

  30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

  31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

  32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

  33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

  34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

  35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

  36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

  37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

  38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

  39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

  40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

  41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

  42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.

  43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

  44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

  45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.


Watching this video… and shear number of people in these protests… there is zero comparison to Antifa…


ANTIFA is not the protest, they just show up at the protests and steal the show

I don’t think anyone has doubted there are HK protests or that they are or are not organic in origin

that video does not show anything of substance IMO & appears to be a short propaganda video, music, highlights, patriotism designed to stir

but I couldn’t accept it as showing there are not HK ANTIFA at work



The primary reason I am against the protesters is…

gratuitous violence (willful and unnecessary violence towards anyone they choose to do violence against).

I saw first hand how the Occupy Central movement (roughly similar in size), went. It was peaceful and only slightly disruptive. It hardly bothered me at all. Yes, a little bit to go around, but that was all. No fear of being hurt, or killed. No fear of having any of my property destroyed. No fear at all.

But, with the current protesters, I very much am afraid. I have to watch my words - what I say and to whom I say them, for fear they could attack me with abandon. How in the world could I get positive vibes from such justifiable fear? I certainly wouldn’t dare walk amongst them on purpose. Again, purely from fear of their potential attack.

You are getting your news from reporters and writers. Well, whoopie! I am getting it first hand. Unfiltered! I don’t know your reporters, but just like for me with Fox News - a news organization I have trusted for years, I quickly came to realize that their reporting of the protesters was/is HIGHLY biased in favor of the protesters. I would never have guessed that they (Fox), could behave so badly - skewing their reporting to follow their own narrative or agenda.

I suggest you stop trying to convince me of your apparent fantasy that these protesters, or more accurately, rioters, are simply freedom-loving do gooders. They have done nothing good and everything bad. Who have they actually helped? No one that I am aware of.

Regarding the voting results - yes, very telling, but not unanimous by any stretch. The percentage I heard was around 70% in favor of the pro-democracy candidates. Great! Now, let’s see if the rioters stop hurting HK and let their duly elected politicians do their jobs.

I don’t care if I change your mind. I only care about the truth. Perhaps if you looked around at all the damage the rioters have done - like I have many times - and saw all the people they have hurt or killed - some of which I have seen directly - then you might see the truth.

I do believe that there is a strong under current for freedom and change in HK. But, there are other issues, too, which have made the circumstances much worse (for example, world’s most expensive housing making having a decent life much more difficult). Also, president Xi came to HK awhile back (not too long before the protests started), and basically shook his iron fist at all of HK (don’t know why, but he did). And, there were the booksellers that just suddenly disappeared, only to show up in jail in mainland China. All these things helped create the environment we have now in HK.



Whats shown here, why no audio, is Hollywood selling off all the starwars stormtrooper helmets?