I know I haven’t been around much the past few months. I’ve been building my hatchery for chickens.
I just got word and this hasn’t hit the news that I’m aware of. This came from my direct contact in the ATF.
This is the quote to me that I just got.
“ It just happened a couple hours ago but what it sounds like is that the courts said they can’t require 80%ers to be serialized and can’t make people do a 4473 to buy”
“ ATF frame and receiver rule has been vacated!!!”
I will find out more and pass it to you as I get it.
Basically this is what you might’ve heard in the media referred to as “ghost guns”. These are firearm frames and receivers (typically the portions that are serialized and registered as the firearm) that are roughly 80% completed as determined by the ATF. These incomplete frames and receivers are not serialized or documented in any way. Anyone can buy one of these frames or receivers and have it delivered directly to their home (as their local laws allow, some states and other local governments have banned these products). The purchaser then “finishes” the firearm by completing the tasks required to finish the last 20% of manufacture in order to create a 100% functional capable frame or receiver that can then be built out with parts required to make a 100% functional firearm.
The builds you see in this 80% Builds subforum are of this type of frame/receiver.
Biden wanted to ban these items. The ATF then redefined 80% non-firearm frames and receivers, which they had defined that way since their inception, to now being firearms and requiring documentation/registration. By their new definition, even a block of metal with a locating hole in it from which to measure the rest of the frame/receiver was considered a firearm.
The 5th Circuit vacated this ATF Final Rule, so it’s as if the rule never existed in the 5th Circuit’s jurisdiction. The implication is that the 5th Circuit is setting the precedent of declaring that ATF is rulemaking without the authority to do so. What SHOULD happen is that this ruling propagate out to the rest of the country and other Final Rules that ATF has released will also be found unconstitutional (pistol brace rule, for example).
Hopefully all of this will eventually lead to the abolishment of the GCA and NFA as well.
I’m down with that. It is a department of the Treasury, created to collect the taxes on those items. There should be no additional taxes on firearms other than sales taxes as arms are a Constitutionally protected right. There shouldn’t be any taxing, tracking, or infringing on rights.
This is the part that irritates me. The ATF is really nothing more than a bunch of over glorified book keepers. Who, what, where, when and why do they think they can make up rules regarding what firearms we can and can’t own? They have no law making authority! They have no authority to act as the police! They have NO authority to confiscate anything or arrest anyone! Why do they think they can?
All those things are true. I like to take the wins.
Taking power from us has been incremental for a very long time.
The judges in place now are a god send. I do know that my contact and the group make raids all the time on city gangs and they have to turn it all over to city democrats who utterly fail at prosecutions.
In fact their last raid was a complete bust due to city cop moles leaking info that there was going to be a raid.
As a rule they don’t give a squat about us or what guns we own. Unless you go out and buy 20 glocks in a week.
I have a whole stack of 80% frames. From AR-10s to 2011 frames. I was just sitting on them. I really don’t have a use for so many but they were cheap. It’s all the parts that are expensive.
I bought a Ruger Precision Rimfire last week. For the first time ever, the guy behind the counter told me that putting down my social security number was not required and completely voluntary. That was a first for me.
I will take the wins as they come.
I am ordering a new rimfire can to fit up on this new rifle and my Ruger MKII. Hell, all the accessories (can, scope etc.) cost more than the rifle. But I must say, building firearms brings on more satisfaction than buying one. But then I’m a natural builder. I build things and hate paying someone to do something I can do myself. Or learn to do myself. Self reliance is easier than its ever been.
The 80% frame concept is a huge win for me. Parts are more available. I can build whatever I want. I can trick out piston rifles or leave them basic. Machine whatever I want.
When I built my flintlock in 2000 I never thought it would be of national interest 20 years later.
Hell they took away lead and black powder. Now they say I can have my non serial numbered home made gun.
That’s a circuit judge. The government will appeal to the panel, the panel will Stay the ruling of the judge; allowing the rule to go back into effect, then there will be a 2 year wait until the Supreme Court hears it.
Unless they move it forward like the New York suit. Bypassed everything just to hammer it to set a precedence. I’m a bit more optimistic of the outcome. I never feel like I’m helpless or a victim.
Yeah he is correct the ATF just does what they want . So I just do what I want. Many people who owned SBR just did what they always have done just ignored the ATF , but they truly need shut down they are the next thing to true Commies
It’s great news. What sucks is that a lot of dealers and manufacturers of these products have gone out of business or stopped manufacturing the items. Some of that will likely never come back, much like the bump stock ban. These bureaucracies can do a lot of damage to the marketplace by simply throwing unconstitutional rules out there, even if they knew that they wouldn’t stick under constitutional review. These bureaucracies should be liable for damages caused by unconstitutional rulemaking. Not by paying outlandish fines that taxpayers are going to cover anyway, but by taking from the annual budget of the agency/department when the judgment is made. If they have to lay off the entire agency/department due to unconstitutional action, so be it. That might make some of these orgs think twice about playing loose with the rules.
Absolutely. Especially if u see democrat rule. The leaders are appointed and not elected.
I love seeing all the lawsuits going after bogus laws. The democrats are in trouble and they are forcing everything they can. They would rather destroy a nation than loose power. Would rather cause a nuclear holocaust than give up power. This is a fight to the end.
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