Guns for 18-21: How do you feel? (Old Guys Welcome)


KeithP, Mister_Torgue: In some states (not sure which), carrying a concealed knife may not be legal - may also depend on the length of the blade. Still, a knife is generally a good to great backup to a gun.

In Florida, there was a guy named Zimmerman, that stopped an attack in progress (he was being attacked), with his Keltec 9 mm. Zimmerman did sustain minor injuries, but the attacker died. We’ll never know what might have happened if he was not armed with a gun. Also, don’t know if Zimmerman could have successfully defended himself with a knife. So, bottom line, carry both to make sure…


Well thankfully this tread says (Old Guys Welcome) So I’ll start this as expected.
Back when I was a young’un… They dropped the voting age to 18 when I turned 19. So I still didn’t get to vote in a national election 'till I was 21 anyway. The argument to drop the age was based on if you can serve in the military to defend the country you ought to have a right to vote for who leads it. That’s pretty much a fool proof argument and the so in 1971 the 26th amendment was passed.

The 2nd amendment has been around a bit longer and no age restriction was placed on it. But the Supreme Court left it to the states to regulate gun ownership. I’m a federalist at heart so I don’t like the idea of government over reach. However it does seem logical that some age barrier be defined. ( I don’t want my grandkids running around unsupervised with a firearm.) So where to draw the line? Maybe it’s not so much age as temperament. I know I took my oldest grandson shooting when he was about 11. By the time he turned 13 he was not the kid I’d hoped he’d be and I refused to take him again. He’s turned himself around now at 18 and I’m happy to take him out for a weekend of shooting. Not sure he’s personally ready to own a handgun (or any firearm) yet. So I think it ought not to be up to the government so much as the parents. If under 18, any legal issues from damage or injury done by a youth with a firearm ought to fall on both the child and responsible adult. After 18, I figure the military service argument still holds. If you can die for your country you ought to have all the benefits of it’s freedoms. That leaves training. I would hope that anyone who wants to own a firearm would also want to know how to handle it. Should the government be involved in it? Please, no. They can screw up anything.


Trust me John, as soon as I get my LTC I will have program compliance. Carrying both will be a requirement.

Oh, any idea what states have any stupid laws regarding concealed knives? That sounds asinine.


Mister_Torgue - yes it is asinine. But what do you expect from gun law makers?

No, I don’t recall which states, but I will go back and check around, and will let you know - won’t be all of them, just the ones I was and will be, looking at.

It’s great to have the CCW permit. My only regret is that I did not get it earlier. Have had it now for about 10 years (with a renewal).


Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, mquinn55. I pretty much fully agree with you/your comments.



From what I have gathered thus far, each state has its own definition of what is okay, or not okay, to carry when it comes to knives. So, instead of a blanket restriction on carrying knives, they each have their own limitations on what can be carried legally. So, to be safe, check into it. Here is one of the websites that I found most helpful:

Good luck!


Texas just relaxed theirs :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:


Agree with everything but driving . . . like most things there are some 16 year-olds perfectly capable of driving well. While some are horrible drivers and will remain horrible drivers until they have their keys taken away by their own kids.


Excellent points . . .


This will never happen but it is how I feel. This country started really going downhill when 18 year-olds were permitted to vote. But I can’t see denying voting, drinking, gun-owning, or anything else to someone who has served in the military. They have earned those rights. After one year of service I think a person should be considered an adult.


Good thinking 1971 26th amendment, but I can’t help thinking if that was it or if the 60’s “free love” hippys started to actually get “involved” With politics more.


I think that it is very creepy that we have people trying to strip 18 year old people’s rights, and some of those same people are fed up with our gun rights being violated. There’s no perfect answer to this question. It’s a case by case basis. Some people at 18 year olds can Handel the real world and some can’t. I left home at 14. I bought my first house at 23 on my own, so I have a different out look than a father of a 18 year old that eats tide pods. I guess what I’m saying is this. If the state can trial me as an adult than I should have all the freedoms of an adult. Baring that we became what we despise.


I like that. Excellent point!


I totally agree with you. At 18 Uncle Sam Drafted me and didn’t mind sending me to Vietnam and carry a firearm. I guess I was mature enough then, but now if your 18 your not? To many left wing nuts making stupid laws.


Age limits on firearm purchases did absolutely nothing to reduce crime. For decades, prior to 1963, there were no school shootings and very seldom mass shooting of any kind. There were also very few gun control laws. Now that we have all these restrictions, laws and age limits, there are many gun related shootings. What good have the gun control laws done?



agreed. so, what did happen to make school shootings so common, you think?


Liberals and the moral decay of the nation they promoted…



Of course, I would like your opinion, too, and anyone else here that cares to respond.



clearly, I don’t know.

I have guesses as to what might have contributed to the problem:

the main stream media (now, people can get worldwide fame in a single afternoon);

parents not strictly controlling their firearms and then their kids deciding to take out their frustrations so the world can see;

higher capacity guns allowing for more effect;

lack of closeness (love and caring) of family members and neighbors, so little/no feeling of loss when the shooters kill others;

shooters get stressed out (thus becoming shooters), and look for ways to take out their frustrations - other shooters chose the killing path, so they mimic them;

and the list goes on.

I know, I know - this list kind of sounds anti gun. Sorry about that, not my intention. But, these are my guesses. For sure, the kids getting unsupervised access to guns - bad!


oops, sorry about that Robert.

You are the man! I will try to stay out of your way while you chase down the bots!