Guns for 18-21: How do you feel? (Old Guys Welcome)


thx Robert.

But, only you have that talent! I am still trying to figure out what bots really are (in forums), and why they even exist.

I would be happy to watch, admire, and cheer you on, though.


It would seem to me that our society has gradually forced us to raise a generation of kids that have been so overprotected they can’t cope with reality. “Building” self confidence by telling them that they’re great at everything. Trophys for everyone!!! Then they think they deserve everything, especially respect. Then reality hits and they’re ill prepared to cope.
When I grew up you had to earn and compete. If you fell short, no trophy. When that happens you either accept you’re not as good or you were motivated to get better.
Today when kids get what they deserve instead of what they think they deserve they can’t cope. One of my daughters ( the youngest and the one that did the best in school ) always said “it’s not fair.” (Which I contracted down to “snot faire.”). She’s the one today that thinks she’s a socialist. We didn’t raise her different but she was a few years behind, and between the schools curriculum getting worse and her pampered peers it was inevitable.
When I was a kid a got bullied we’d fight back. Even if you lost you earned some respect for standing up for yourself. Today when kids get bullied they just internalize it until they crack. Then some see their options as suicide or murder or both.
We need to get the youth back to understanding that respect is earned and life ain’t fair. When shit doesn’t go your way, live with it or make it better.



very well said, thank you.


thanks, Robert, for the bots topic discussion…


Well I meant chronologically. But socially as well. She had the best grades and the only one to graduate college. She’s got her CPA now but I question the value of any knowledge gained. She can’t seem to manage money.



Money management is a Finance subject. CPA’s are (just) accountants. They track, record, categorize, report, etc, money, but not much about money management (how to save money and where to put it once you accumulate some).

Here is an approach which has worked very well for me: pay yourself first! In other words, take some (starting off…) small amount out of your paycheck each time and put it into savings right off the bat. Then, when you have enough to invest (stocks, real estate, whatever), then make your investments from your savings. Of course, always keep some cash in savings just in case markets turn on you, or you need it for an emergency.

Good luck!


Good advice John, and the same my dad taught me. And the same as we taught or daughters. One of em just didn’t seem to get it yet.

I’ve also always followed the idea that I will help any of our extended family if I know they are making forward progress. There have been times we’ve covered child care long enough for someone to get a new or better job. But I won’t help if that person isn’t trying to make things better. The daughter I’ve mentioned above wants to buy a house and ask us for help (money) we instead showed her properties she can afford but about an hour and a half commute. She’s not interested cuz it’s “snot faire.” Not willing to sacrifice… no help.



You have a tough circumstance with your daughter that isn’t getting life’s lessons.

My son is too young for me to have any experience to share with you in that regard. However, sticking to the right path (as you see it), may just be the ticket. She will either come around, or learn later that she missed out on a whole lot of help.


agreed. its annoying that 18 is old enough when its convenient then all of the sudden not. I’d have no issues making it 21, just do it across the board.


I’m a retired military veteran, and my dad taught me more than the military ever did about gun safety. He bought me my first gun when I was 11 years old. The military just presented the standardized rules everyone in the military must follow. I did learn about different weapon platforms, but I am still learning different weapon platforms, 19 years after military retirement. So, I must disagree with your belief that military training should be a prerequisite for being trusted with a gun. You may be an avid gun owner and lifetime NRA member, but it seems your critical thinking skills are skewed to the left. We took the Hunters Safety Course at school when I was 14 years old. On the last day, we were allowed to bring our favorite gun to school for a show and tell. I had to get a signed permission slip to bring my .410 shotgun on the school bus, and I had to present it to the bus driver. So, there I was, standing on the side of the road with a shotgun,…and the bus stopped to pick me up. The driver didn’t freak out and speed away. It was a different mindset. These false flag school shootings, and leftist ideas about guns, is what is ruining everything. Suggesting that someone should wait until 21 to own a gun unless they’ve had military training is exactly the kind of leftist bullcrap I’m talking about.


@Air_Source_One Good shit, good display of common sense! Damn, I miss the old days. And especially, Thank you for your service !!!


@WildCard1791 as for the"old guys welcome " KISS MY ASS! lol



Thanks for your service to the country. Glad to hear your father introduced you to guns at an early age. Also glad to hear you got training beyond what you got in the military.

Here is what I said previously - perhaps you missed it:

I absolutely agree that we should start training our kids from an early age. I first started shooting (a .22 rifle), at age 10. Supervision and coaching of such young adults with guns is critical. Also, control of access to the guns - not letting them have any kind of access without your being there with them. My focus was on uncontrolled access (ie - young gun owners living away from their parents). I suppose with enough of the right training, 18+ year olds can manage okay. I do still wonder if they would always make the same decisions when confronted by criminals as the parents would.

So, it is not about just age, but life experiences, training, temperament, and environment, among perhaps other things.

Trust me, I am no leftist and frankly feel offended that you or anyone else would consider me as such.

Next time you choose to respond to someone, please read more thoroughly, first.


You’re so right. I was in the Marine Corps. I know more about firearms now then I didn’t back then - especially pistols. My pistol shooting skills are far better now. These improvements occurred post military.

I always want to ask people on the left - “what is the purpose of the bill of rights?”


Gangster wanna be culture maybe. Rap crap calling for cop killings? The school shootings are quite similar to a drive by no? Raised by TV/MTV [which glorified the ghetto monsters] generation of drugged by mommy because mommy can’t deal with discipline? Runaway dads? Unwed birth rate and the embracement of inner city [NO] values? White clowns sagging and wearing gang crappola? What possibly could the problem be? LOL
Grand Dads shotgun sat in the closet-then dads closet. We wouldn’t DARE touch it w/o permission and them present. Guess where I fall on the moron “me first” “where’s my trophy” generation being responsible enough for firearms?


things have changed however should a legal adult who can legally vote be denied firearm ownership, no. Should there be restriction placed, possibly but not to ownership. In my youth we were given the option in school to take firearms/hunter safety courses. We could legally buy ammo at 16, and if memory serves me this included rifles and shotguns (I had both a .303 rifle and 12g at 16 but stored at a friends more gun friendly parents house. I would bring my mossberg 500 to school and put it in my locker because we had either been out early or were going out after school. Now just cleaning my shotgun on my deck could involve a visit from the local constabulary.


I’ve noticed through out my life that if a law, age restriction, or anything along those lines gets put in place no matter how obvious the law is someone somewhere has lost there freedom, and the law or restrictions will get worse. Is there good people that are 18? Yes. Is there bad people that are 18? Yes. Was ther good and bad 18 year olds in the 70’s, 60’s, 50’s?..Yes.
The next question is obvious. What has changed? The answer is gun free zones where created. Media is still media, they will do anything for a story, and always will. If we want to conserve our freedoms then freedoms must not have boundaries because that is where problems will occur.
Our options are

  1. Trust everyone to have there own due diligence. End gun free zones, and deal with problems as they happen.
  2. Continue with restrictions just like the UK, Australia, Canada, Europe, and you all know what road that leads us down.
    This Country use to run on the first option. The way I see things going is option 2.
    We need to band together and get motivated to call our representatives, and not say to ourselves “gun bans won’t happen” does 1994 to 2004 ring any bells?
    Bad things will always happen. That is life. If we give good people the tools to STOP bad people we can save an awful lot of life’s. Those who do not study history’s mistakes are doomed to repeat them. A free man does not ask to protect himself, his family, or loved ones. Anything less than that IS slavery.


Who is the one to say who is trustworthy and who isn’t? The government. I think not! It is us who are trust worthy and that carry everyday that will make sure they become and stay trust worthy. So all in all I say our rights shall not be infringed!


Not sure if that message was for me? However I am a newbie so yes I will do just that. Please forgive my lack of forum etiquette . Thank you…


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