Help educate me on FN SCAR platforms, both 16 & 17, thanks


#1

Give all reasons pro & con on FN SCAR rifles.


#2

Expensive!! That is just one of the cons. Also I’ve heard Scars don’t like some of the P-Mags.


#3

Ask yourself why you would want to bother with anything non-AR-15?

Pros: Lightweight, accurate and reliable. But so is the AR-15…

Cons: Prohibitively expensive, spare parts are unavailable, FN support is hard to get, barrels are too short for both the 5.56 and 7.62 versions (remember that 5.56 and 7.62 need at least 18 and 20" respectively in order to do what they were designed for), doesn’t really offer anything over an AR-15, not fully ambi. Take into consideration that FN is a military contractor first and foremost and is hardly succesful on the commercial market. They focus on govt contracts. The AR-15 is the citizen’s rifle. AR’s are everywhere and will never go away.

You are much, much better served with the following AR-15 and it’s really all you’ll ever need out of a general purpose rifle:

Primary Weapons Systems MK118 Mod 2.223 Wylde
2x Primary Weapons Systems KeyMod Aluminum Picatinny Rail Section
Primary Weapons Systems Enhanced Buffer Tube Mod 2 (comes standard)
Geissele Super Tricon Trigger
Geissele Maritime Bolt Catch
Lantac Dragon DGN556B 1/2-28 UNEF R/H Muzzle Brake
Battle Arms Development Ambidextrous Safety Selector AR-15 – Standard & Short Levers
Battle Arms Development Enhanced Pin Set AR-15
BCM Gunfighter Stock (comes standard)
BCM Gunfighter Charging Handle Mod 4 (comes standard)
BCM Gunfighter Mod 3 Pistol Grip (comes standard)
BCM Gunfighter KeyMod Rail Panels
TangoDown SCAR P-Rail Panels 6”
TangoDown SCAR P-Rail Panels 2”
Troy Industries Micro Set HK Front and Round Rear Tritium BLK Battle Sights w/ XS Sight Systems Troy CSAT Rear Aperture
LaRue Tactical LT-FUG Forward Universal ‘Pillar’ Grip
Aimpoint Comp M4S w/ EOTech G33.STS 3x Magnifier
Surefire M600 Ultra Z68 Weapon Light – American Defense Manufacturing M600 PKG Mount Combination w/ AD-TacLever Upgrade @ 9
Savvy Sniper Quad X Cobra Sling
2x ALG Defense Forged Sling Swivel
Noveske QD Direct Attach Swivel Mount
Lancer Systems L5AWM Translucent Smoke 30-Round Magazines w/ 5.56 Magpul


#4

FN SCAR pros & cons. Everything minuteman said. When people ask me if they should get one I Always ask have you looked into a Beretta ARX100?, or CZ BREN 805?
The CZ BREN 805 can be had for 1600.00, and the Beretta ARX 100 for 900.00.
Another good point is if you save 2000.00 on a rifle purchase, you can put that money towards ammo! Think about it 2000.00 in 5.56 is around 6000 rounds! There is no replacement for experience or training. Happy hunting.


#5

Compared to the 805 the only thing I could find was the BHO, everything else is pretty even and CZ is on par with FN in terms of CS and QC.


#6

@jf89
Oh by the way I just picked up my new CZ Bren 805 last night, so as soon as my buddy gets back from Florida we can to a comparison shoot off between the ARX100, CZ Bren 805, and the FN SCAR 16. I think we will use a control as well. How about a sig 516? I figure a piston Ar15 would be a good one.


#7

The 516 isnt on par with the others you listed. Sig is pretty much trash now of days.


#8

SCAR 16 gets my vote because it has the most after market available. You can get a lot of cool stuff that improves the system and 18" barrels are available if you shop around, it’s not that hard at all. They are out there. On top of that this platform is amazingly accurate. The ARX isn’t all that accurate and is known to be a 2.5-ish MOA gun.

Just a side note: I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: 5.56 62gr fmj needs at least 18" to reliably do what it was designed to do (fragment). Anything under 18" is a waste as the only terminal effect will be ice pick like clean entry and exit wounds.

As JF89 already mentioned: Avoid SIG Sauer at all costs. The Romeo optics are nice but that’s about it…


#9

I dont like 18" barrel on my AR15s unless Its on an SPR or Recce type buid. What ammo do you run in 16" and shorter barrels? I usually run 77 gr BH or AE 62 gr fmj.


#10

55gr m193. That is sufficient for inside 100m.


#11

@jf89
Do you know when the quality went down? I have a gen1 and gen 2 for testing. I saw no reason to get the 3rd gen.


#12

2004ish I think. Cohen (sp) took over and has been ruining it ever since. He did the same thing with Kimber.


#13

The Scar in .308 is pretty epic but in 5.56 not so much, way over priced. Even if cost was the same I would take the 805, there has been less issues (such as cracked lowers, destroying optics, etc.) and the Bren looks better IMO. Availability of parts goes to the FN for now but CZ will probably catch up ,neither will ever be at the AR15 or AKs level in terms of customization. Putting price into perspecve I can buy an 805 used for $900ish off gun broker and buy $600 in spare parts and still save close to $600-700.


#14

One thing that has kept me from buying the Bren is future availability of parts. Is CZ going to continue makig these guns and parts for them or are they just burning off all the leftovers from their military contract after switching to the 806?


#15

@jf89
To the best of my knowledge 806 is full auto and 805 is semi. I don’t think you will have to worry about support, yet that is also figuring that you would ever need parts. Both the SCAR and the BREN are the same action. The only difference in design is the SCAR has a longer bolt carrier and shorter piston. The BREN is longer piston and shorter carrier. Both rifles are used in military applications currently.


#16

Agreed. One can trick out a SCAR with a lot of neat aftermarket -including alloy lowers-, but it’s a rifle that doesn’t really offer anything substantial over a high end quality piston AR-15. PWS’s price point is far lower.


#17

How would you compare the PWS AR15 to the Bren 805? Excluding parts availability.


#18

The 805 is a 16" barrel gun which by default limits it to defensive purposes with 55gr M193 ammo within the 100m threshold. It also uses a reciprocating side mounted charging handle which although reversible is less than ideal as it’s in the way and uncomfortable when two point sling-carrying the rifle with the CH on the left (pokes the thigh). Contrary to popular belief the 5.56 fmj round will not do what it was initially designed to do from any barrel under at least 18". What you want is reliable fragmentation. It needs that longer barrel in order to do so.

The PWS AR-15 is, well, the PWS AR-15. Proper minimum barrel length (18") for 62gr M885 ammo is available, and the CH is right there where it should be. Factor in another obvious benefit to the AR platform: occlusive system sealed from the elements. The AR -any good quality AR- is a no-brainer. I’m all for innovation, yet I haven’t seen anything to date that the AR doesn’t do or does better. The AR-15 is here to stay and will never go away. What becomes of other 5.56 GP rifles remains to be seen. As for now they’re coming and going. Just my observation and two pennies to the coin.

The way I see things right now in the M885 ammo realm is that we basically have 3 off the shelf options: an 18/20" barrel AR-15 -of any reputable make-, the FN SCAR with the optional 18" barrel that can be found online, and the IWI X95 18" barrel version. All 3 need aftermarket customization to reach Nirvana status. Everything else out there on the market just doesn’t cut it or is imho relegated to a defensive <100m role with 55gr M193. Mind you, I’m talking Average Joe’s/Jill’s ammo budget! So YMMV. Most of us can only afford the 9mm 124/147gr hollow point variety and 5.56mm 62gr full metal jacket SOP when it comes to ammo purchase. Again, YMMV.


#19

How did you like the Bren 805 compared to the other rifles?


#20

I still can’t get my buddy to go out to the range with his SCAR. The Bren doesn’t have a bolt release, so after inserting a new magazine your manual of arms will be more like a AK in that you will have to yank back on the charging handle. The SCAR has a bolt release on it. The Bren has an amazing trigger and safety. In all honesty if the Beretta ARX100 had a better trigger, I would be having some serious buyers remorse on the Bren purchase.