Hello Ladies and Gents,
I have been working on something over here and was wondering if anyone could chip in a little help? I’m putting together a spreadsheet of sorts listing all the mass shootings and coinciding them with federal gun control laws and was also wanting to include individual states gun laws (particularly in states that have had mass shootings). So I was wondering if anyone could send me links they may come across to their states historic breakdown of gun control laws as far back as you can find them.
Particularly in the states of CA, CO, CT, MN, MS, TX, AZ, VA, UT, PA, OK, NY, HI, NV, FL, WA, OR, TN. I might be leaving out a few right now, but I’ll take any and all states.
This just saves me a little time researching if anyone has any links or web pages already of their states historical timeline of gun control laws.
Thanks in advance.
Hello Ladies and Gents,
what are you basing your definition of mass shooting (single shooter - mass causality, single shooting event or single shooter and more than XX fatalities)?
More than one is mass
For what I am doing now, I am considering 4 or more fatalities (not including the shooter (s)), single event. However, currently as I am reading about the 2014 Fort Hood shooting, I am considering a different category or a way I would like to include events which resulted in multiple injured but had less than 4 fatalities. Also, if the shootings happened in different locations but on the same day or was a sequence of events of the same shooter(s) in a day, then it will be considered as a mass shooting.
for me a mass shooting would be an event where more than 2 victims, why - scenario car full of gangbangers open fire (lets just say 4 guns) and the “victim” return fire (one or more guns) and say there was three casualties, by most crime stats definitions that is not a mass shooting. MSM tries to paint a mass shooting as a SWM with a AR15 Assault Rifle with hicap mags.
You are absolutely right. MSM doesn’t count the gang violence at all in its headlines or agenda. “Normal” everyday crime concerning drugs and gangs or domestic violence does not seem to make the news. Nor does it spark any kind of gun control debate. Only the lone nut job, who pops up shooting school kids, coworkers or strangers in public places makes headlines, which is why that is my focus. It’s also easier to research that as I am not wanting to write about every single firearm incident in this country for now. That’s a shit load of work. So I am using only what the media sees as a “gun problem” and working with that. Which, yes, seems to only be the SWM with some AR or AK “assault” weapon and those “high” capacity mags.
So I initially started this out with what has made the news and considered by MSM as “mass shooting” and wanted to see at the time of these shootings what federal law was already in place. As I started reading and working on it (and I am only in the very beginning stages of this), I realized that I also need to include what state gun control laws were also in place where the incidents occured. Hence, this thread.
I don’t know where this is going, or what my goal will be here, but it started out with me wondering what the common link was to these “mass” shootings and also, how the laws already in effect have played a role, if any.
Sounds like a budding Pro-gun Vlogger coming into her own (hint hint start a Vdiary with a short message everyday with your experience).
The common thread but always buried is mental health, or the lack of mental health care. It is much like the fact that opioid deaths far out number firearms deaths (all aspects) in North America (am including Canada in this). In Canada I can go to my local pharmacy and get two Naloxone Kits for free but we do not have a drug problem, just a gun problem.
for example two deaths -
He wanted to apologize for cutting off another driver. It turned into a deadly shootout.
June 12 2019
Keith Byrne was trying to do the right thing. After the Marine Corps veteran accidentally cut off another car, he was ready to apologize at the next light.
Before he could, a passenger got out of the cut-off car and shot him square in the chest.
The mortally wounded Byrne, 41, was also prepared to fight back. With his own gun, he fired two shots at 22-year-old Andre Sinclair, and Sinclair died of his injuries at the hospital two days later. Byrne died on scene.
Sinclair had been a passenger in the car his girlfriend was driving. Their toddler was in the backseat.
The whole incident was something that Davie Police Sgt. Mark Leone called ultimately “pointless and silly.” In a news conference Wednesday, the sergeant went through what had happened Friday at the corner of Flamingo Road and Southwest Eighth Street just south of Interstate 595.
Byrne had been on the phone with a friend at the time. The friend “heard his friend Keith say, ‘My bad,’ in making an attempt to apologize,” Leone said. “At that time over the phone he heard the gunshots and Mr. Byrne said, ‘I think I’ve been shot,’ started slurring his speech, and then the phone call was disconnected.”
According to police, Sinclair got out of his girlfriend’s blue BMW displaying his gun and was heading for Byrne , who was still inside his air-conditioning work truck.
Sinclair shot Byrne once in the chest. Byrne shot Sinclair several times, police said.
Both Byrne and Sinclair held concealed carry permits. “Mr. Byrne was acting in self-defense when he ultimately fired back at Mr. Sinclair,” Leone said.
He added that if Sinclair had survived, “we would have identified him as the primary aggressor, and he would have ultimately been charged with murder.”
Police say that Sinclair’s girlfriend had been pleading with her boyfriend to stay in the car when they stopped at the light. Neither she nor their daughter were harmed in the shooting.
After news broke, Byrne’s family and friends shared their favorite memories of him across social media. In an interview, Peter Franzese described Byrne as a “person that made everyone feel good when he was around them.” Franzese added that, “When he loved you as a friend, he always had your back, and it was for life.”
Boy, if I included all of those, this would never end. I just needed help gathering the states’ gun control laws.
gather all than disseminate from there into different categories, like mass shooters, total causalities and than actual deaths. you also could include number codes such as gang, known to victim or unknown.
And last time I checked it is against the law to shoot people unless you are defending yourself.
Criminals don’t obey the laws period. Passing more laws for them to ignore seems pointless.
Thank you for pointing this out.
I was wanting something more like this:
This only goes to 2013 so I would still need 2013-current, but it gives me a starting point at least.
I was hoping to eventually make database, then branch out from there as needed. I see now there’s no interest.
Thanks for everyone’s help.
I think that rather than a lack of interest, it’s likely that there aren’t many easily available resources like that, for most states.
States with strict gun control laws would probably be easier to research, given that their laws are likely to have been pointed to as shining examples by the gun control lobby, while 2nd amendment advocates will point to them as both a warning to what can happen in other states, and examples of how those laws have had little or no effect on the issues they were supposed to fix.
In states that don’t have strict gun control laws, the only information likely to stand out in a quick search, would be things like passing open carry laws or Constitutional carry. The rest would likely be a mix of minor victories and defeats in the state legislature, that people would have some recollection of, but probably couldn’t lay out a timeline.
Before the 1993 Brady Background Check Law was passed by Congress, there was a state law requiring local police to do background checks on handgun purchases from dealers, with them being allowed up to two weeks, if necessary, to do the check. In most of the state, this usually took about 3 days, but could easily vary from 2 to 4. In Nashville, which had been controlled by democrats for as long as I can remember, the anti-gun police chief declared that no matter how long it took to do the check, it took two weeks - twisting the state law to impose a two week waiting period on handgun purchases in Nashville and Davidson county. Of course, we learned to just go to neighboring counties, where the gun stores would get the background check results in 3 days, if we were shopping for handguns. That two week wait went away when the Brady Law passed, as it’s initial form (requiring local background checks, until the FBI’s NICS system could be brought online) imposed a shorter wait on handgun purchases from dealers.
Another handgun purchase law, that was repealed by the TN legislature several years ago, was a requirement for the seller in a private sale of a handgun to notify local police of the sale. No forms or background checks, just a simple requirement to call the local police and say something like “I just sold a revolver to John Smith.” The gun control lobby made a fuss over this law being repealed, and how much more dangerous things would be with all these private sales now being done with no reporting on who is buying them. They mostly shut up, after the news media asked legislators why the law was repealed, and were told that in the years the law had been in effect, not one single person in the state had ever complied with it.
The state legislature also repealed a law requiring that dealers get thumbprints of the buyer, when a gun is sold. It was a bit of a nuisance, having to wipe the ink off your thumbs, after doing the rest of the paperwork and pressing your thumbs on the slip of paper that the dealer was then required to keep in their files. That law was repealed, after somebody checked to see how many crimes it had solved, and discovered that over all the years of collecting thumbprints, there was only one incident of law enforcement asking for a thumbprint slip, and that one slip was smudged badly enough that it was unusable for their purposes. It was then deemed to be a waste of state funds to keep providing the slips and inkpads to the dealers.
Sometime in the 1990s, the TN legislature passed a carry permit law. Until that point, carry permits had been a patchwork of a system that varied from county to county, with a common system being for the county sheriff to hand out permits to those who had helped in their campaigns, or who agreed to volunteer as ‘auxilary deputees’ when additional help was needed for crowd control at events. Initially, the state had the new state permits processed by local law enforcement, but that turned out to be a major problem, as Nashville (which had an anti-gun chief of police) and a few other locations kicked bureacratic inefficiency into high gear, leaving people wondering how many years it would take to process their application (some eventually found out that some clerk decided there was an error, then filed the application away as being in error, without informing the applicant). This led to the legislature going back to revise the carry permit law, handing the entire process over to the state department of safety. Since then, there has been a slow journey in improving the state carry laws, with removing Jimmy Naifeh from his position of Speaker of the state House (which he used to kill pro-gun bills in committee, allowing democrats to avoid questions about voting against pro-gun/pro-carry bills) being one of the high points.
That’s just a summary of what I can remember, but I haven’t got a clue where a timeline could be found.
Looks like you’re not asking for mass shooting research help. As for the gun laws, I’m in Utah and we don’t have much gun control at all and to look for historic laws can be quite extensive. I don’t know our history very well but I know so far the red flag laws haven’t hit our law-books yet. They have a bill for it but it hasn’t passed as of yet and have been trying for quite some time. So I kind of doubt it will pass.
Other than that the only restrictive thing we have in Utah is that we can’t carry concealed without a permit. And we can open carry so long as it’s 2 actions from being fired. And you can carry in your car concealed (pistols only) fully loaded without a permit.
Outside of that I think federal laws are the only ones left to abide by. No guns in post office, courts, schools, etc.
I will try and dig up more but that’s the best I can give you for now.
Charge the weapon and disengage the safety?
To my understanding I believe that would work. The law states that no round in the chamber and two mechanical actions away from being able to be fired.
so drawing and safety?