IS THE US ON THE PATH OF BALKANIZATION?

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American Partisan’s article on it:

IS THE US ON THE PATH OF BALKANIZATION?
(From the article)
" The political, sociological, religious, ethnic and racial trajectory in the US is eerily similar to that of the former Yugoslavia in many ways. In the coming years, this will only worsen as we import millions and millions more migrants from third world sectors, nearly all of whom share absolutely nothing in common with the average American, if there is such a thing as an average American anymore.

The similarities between the US Yugoslavia begin where Yugoslavia’s downfall began: With the economy. It’s always the economy. Yugoslavia was totally socialist in their economic model. For you on the left, yes, it was indeed “real” socialism, complete with the never-ending litany of financial band-aid’s designed mainly to keep the rigged carnival game going for as long as possible for whomever was sitting at the top getting rich. The US economy may not appear to be socialist in the same way, for whatever reason many Americans maintain the idea of some bastardization of capitalism corrupted by, well, socialists.

Both Yugoslavia and the US endlessly investigated and studied how best to fix their respective economic woes, and some decent ideas, even some great ideas, were formulated… And then were largely ignored. This was either due to a lack of will to implement those ideas or a lack of ability. Probably, it was mostly down to a political unwillingness, since in both country’s cases, the ideas that would have worked best included laundry lists of major money cuts and reductions of federal power. The politicians in power are simply never going to go for a plan like that. They’d rather drive the train straight off the cliff themselves before letting someone else drive it to safety.

The idea so far is that the economic system in the US is simply not sustainable. The perpetual stop-gaps of borrowing more money from the US public, China, Japan, etc. and periodically raising the debt ceiling to allow it is not going to work forever, and it doesn’t require one to have any advanced understanding of economics to grasp this. You don’t need to be an expert economist to realize that $22 trillion in debt and hundreds of trillions more in unfunded liabilities is virtually insurmountable at this point. The fact that the US dollar is the currency of the world is not going to shield us from the inevitable forever. I am surprised that the dollar still holds that position. The economic problems that Yugoslavia faced in the early 1980’s, and that the US now faces, are like a lit match being held over a barrel of gasoline.

And that leads me to discuss that gasoline.

Yugoslavia had an extremely diverse country racially, ethnically and religiously. The geographic location and the early economic prosperity (or the illusion of it) attracted a lot of people from all sorts of backgrounds. After a while, the government began to show heavy favor toward certain ethnicities at the expense of others. Rigorous controls were put on employment and educational systems, favoring one ethnic group over the other with claims that there was history of abuse that needed to be atoned for. Criminal behavior by members of certain ethnic or racial groups were largely ignored by the media and law enforcement apparatus, while even the most benign actions of other groups were seized upon and used for narrative building against those groups.

Does any of this sound familiar? In the US we have a long list of “protected” groups who are heavily favored with advantages in employment, educational and entitlement systems. Race alone is often used by the media and government, often one and the same, to build a narrative of victimization.

In Yugoslavia circa 1980’s, and in the US today, you’d see a very socially diverse people from numerous ethnic, racial, economic and religious backgrounds. When these diverse groups mingle and mix, everyone has to accept that different cultures will have friction arise when the “negative” aspects of a particular culture become unacceptable to another. In times such as those, it’s necessary for the opposing cultures to have the freedom and ability to separate for a peaceful outcome. Problems arise, always, when incompatible cultures are forced to mix in society with no avenue for voluntary, peaceful separation, and these problems are heavily exacerbated when government, academia and media get involved to force one culture to accept and integrate what they feel are the incompatible aspects of the opposing culture. An obvious and perhaps overly-simplistic example is when white, Christian American citizens are forced to accept and live alongside immigrants who wish to practice Sharia law and are forced to alter their own lives and habits in order to accommodate some of these sensitivities. A very basic example, yes, but I think it makes the point.

We are meant to swallow the lie that says “diversity is our strength” without question, and without any consideration for merit, performance, ability, intelligence or actual results.

This is not meant to be an indictment on any specific culture or ethnicity, but more of a history lesson, a social observation and a dire prediction.

The history lesson is the continued failure of all socialist based economic models, whether we want to consider them “real” socialism or not. The sort of hard socialism seen in 1980’s Yugoslavia and the crony-capitalist soft socialist version seen in the US today are both examples of that failure system. As I stated earlier, it does not take any level of economic expertise to understand that our current system is insolvent and that we have passed the point of no return on a future crash of our financial system. Now that less than half of the people in the US are net-taxpayers and over half of the people in the US are receiving some sort of government assistance simply to survive , we have become a full-blown welfare state, with only decreasing numbers of producers and increasing numbers of consumers. Mathematically, it is not sustainable. Historically, it is disastrous.

The social observation is that such a mass of diverse peoples must have a voluntary pressure outlet in order to maintain peace. We must accept reality that not all cultures are able to be forced together with peaceful results. Forced proximity, with advantages, disadvantages and blame doled out only to certain peoples, with a lack of opportunity to separate peacefully will always result in strife and eventual violence.

The dire prediction is one that is easy to see coming: An eventual economic failure is the lit match, while the total lack of national cultural identity is the gasoline. The media, academic and governmental apparatchiks stand by to stoke the fires.

We are Yugoslavia, circa 1980’s. "

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not even close - Yugoslavia was made up of 6 to 7 different countries with different religious backgrounds. Historically or even ethically not even on the same plane - would be like claiming North America (if it was a single entity/country) breaking up.

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The route we are going im not so unsure its too far out of the realm of possibility. We might not be structured the same but given our current political climate and the ever growing divide that only seems to get worse balkanization seems like it could easily be an end game result.

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again there are no parallels to be drawn.
Yugoslavia was a creation of the First World War with Serbia annexing countries that had aligned with the Central Powers (ie Austro-Hungary and Ottoman Empire), the only possible example would be Texas to California seeking their independence or joining Mexico/Spain.

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https://www.usdebtclock.org/

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Time to dissolve and pay the creditors by breaking up the assets including chattel

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I can see us dividing a along ideological lines as in the liberal progressives going thier own way. They can have Commie fotnia and new york and the rest of us can live long and laugh at them.

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Fair enough on the parrallels being a slight stretch but the overall idea isnt so far fetched. We show all the signs of it happening unless something big happens to stop it. Divide and conquer is the name of the game.

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but divide and conquer? By who?
That wasn’t what broke up Yugoslavia - it wasn’t socialism that held it together up a overbearing occupation force (USSR). It was nationalism and a tribal mentality to broke up the Kingdom of Slav,

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To get an idea of what countries would pop up if balkanization happened in the U.S.

The Nine Nations of North America:

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I think we have been on that path for quite some time. It only seems to be getting worse with every move of the political needle. The middle ground is fading more and more. I don’t think people realize how important the moderate is to peace. But it seems there are fewer of them. You can look at the representatives in each state to prove that.

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Were about to be in a full blown war probably, we just bombed and killed one of irans big dogs. he had it comin.

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Have you travelled around the country much lately?

In the last 7 years I have worked in 10 different states renting while there 6 months or longer. No way is what we have anything like a single entity, I think they planned it that way…
Call it Balkanization if you want but be assured revolution will come again as it has time and time again, nothing anyone is going to do about that except maybe delay it so place your bets people.

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I have traveled all over the country for the last few years and from what I have seen if we start shooting each other it won’t be one region verses another it will truly be neighbor verses neighbor .

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When?

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More likely closer to an urban vs. rural thing but I don’t see this getting kicked off by the people, it’s the result of a divisive political system run a muck for a century plus.

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Just read an article about that @Belt-Fed I think you’re right. Iran is crazy enough to try and take us on

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I don’t see the city folks being much of a threat after we block off all food water and power from them.

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Well the U.S. could destroy them in a few days if they wanted to. This would probably end up like Iraq and Afghanistan though. Hiroshima would be a better route, that place is in desperate need of a cleansing.

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