New german assault rifle?

Hi Guys,

i don’t know if the news spread already, but it seems that for the first time since 60 Years we are switching our main manufacturer from H&K to Haenel Defense to build our new rifle for the military.

As most of you guys know, there were some “complaints” about the G36 like problems with heat and inaccuracy. Utter BS if you ask me, the rifle was always shooting the groups that it was intended to. It was designed in the cold war for the european battlefield, not afghanistan with shooting distances north of 500 meters in average. But our government is just too stupid to realise that. So they went on bashing hard against H&K, bad media everywhere. A few years ago the decision was made to organise some trials for a new rifle, where manufacturers like HK, Rheinmetall, SIG, Haenel and i believe a US manufacturer had to compete against each other.

I think the HK 416 and the new HK 433 are far superior compared to the Haenel rifle. A big problem is that Haenel is owned by Merkel (the company, not the chancellor), which is owned by Caracal UAE. Haenel has about 10 employees and should deliver 120.000 rifles within the next two years. WTF? We are making us dependend from the arabs, there are some serious questions about human rights and weapons trafficking too. HK has a remarkable track record, so i guess it was just a political decision to piss off HK big time. Maybe you guys are lucky for the near future, i think HK will move out of germany like Sig Sauer and will be based in the US. God, germany is just a shithole nowadays…

9 Likes

Turkey is the filter to keep the middle east out of Europe, last time it took 200 years once Turkey fell for European conservatives to realize that they needed to push Islam out of Europe.
A strong Catholic Church lead the charge. Success and failure were had but the filter was re-established. That has failed again and now Europe is ruled by Liberals. Get ready for some event bigger developments in the next 5 years.

6 Likes

We are screwed up anyways, what our govt did in 2015 can not be repaired. I do not have a problem with people from foreign countrys, even if the are islamic. But they truly have to integrate themselves in our community. Only a few do. The reality are ghetto-like communitys, no-go-zones for the police, widespread violence with cars, knifes and other stuff. Of course germany is still a very peaceful place to live, dont get me wrong. But the waves are increasing and security is on high demand. We have enough german idiots here, we don’t need even more from other countries. If you want to stay, do your part. Than you are very welcome, no matter the origin. But if you just want a warm bed and a roof over your head for nothing in return, please gtfo.

5 Likes

Well that sux Bav’ shooter. I’m surprised our politicians don’t buy our M16s from the lowest cost producer in China.

(edit: You beat me to it Bav’_shooter)

I thought islam invaded Europe in a big way half a dozen (dozen?) or so years ago? Some sort of a boatlift?

From my very cloudy crystal ball I see that Europe has already fallen, it just hasn’t fully comprehended that yet. We’re not far behind. We let them in and they breed like rats. The progeny get radicalized and society is forced to deal with the problem.

What the hell is wrong with western civilization?

Oh, that’s right… The Report From Iron Mountain. We need to always have a reason for the go’vermin to protect us to justify their existence. It’s job security for them.

http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf

6 Likes

LOL, never guessed it would happen but you’re the first non American to earn our 1776 badge with that post, gut gesagt!

5 Likes

wait… what?! :smiley:

5 Likes

It’s a good thing b’_shooter.

6 Likes

UPDATE: The current status is pretty much unknown. HK and Magpul sued Haenel for patent infringement regarding the “over the beach” capability and the magazine. Well, the mag isnt directly from Haenel, it is build by Oberland Arms (a local AR15 manufacturer). Those are relatively similar to PMAGS, but in my opinion they are unique. I have some of these, quite good magazines. And i see a lot of differences to the Magpul PMAGS. I own some of those as well. But back to the point… There is a big lawsuit mess going on right now between HK, Haenel, the arab Caracal connection and some other partys.

As you guys could imagine, our Government stopped the contract and all of it is now under further investigation. Our army sticks with the G36 a few aditional years and no one has a clue which future rifle is going to be chosen. Maybe it is the HK416 or 433, maybe the Haenel, maybe something else. If there is any new information, i’d keep you guys updated.

6 Likes

Well if all it is slowing this is the government and lawsuits then we should see all this hit the market about the same time as the new lazer blasters

6 Likes

HK might be questionable on a political level but they are definitely a premium brand with some of the highest QC standards. Didnt HK just come out with a few new rifles within the last few years?

3 Likes

They musta improved over that stamped out stuff they used to sell.

3 Likes

HK made some damn fine rifles, I got to play with one of these a long time ago and was quite impressed. Don’t know about their new stuff as I am old and don’t get to play with cool stuff anymore

g3

.

5 Likes

I’fn you close i’d let you play with some more of them damn fine rifles, then i’d let ya play with some others and you’d throw that stamped out over complicated BCG H&K in the creek.

5 Likes

I am a long way from Arkysaw my friend, I do not doubt you have some fine flintlocks, but not much could make me toss a G3 into a creek, except maybe to prove that it would keep on ticking.

4 Likes

Maybe it will and maybe it won’t. depends on a couple things. just water yes. if it get sand or mud in the chamber and fills up the flutes on it, then no. H&K system builds more pressure than other rifles, they had to flute the chamber to let gas escape and help with ejection. also the charging handles are prone to break off. and don’t even stand close on the ejector side, they have a violent ejection that throws the brass ten to fifteen yards and also put a big dent in it without a buffer.

3 Likes

They’ve always had good QC. The hk91 had a pretty solid reputation with the militaries that fielded them around the world. Not brass friendly and has weird ergonomics though. I like them well enough but not enough to invest money into one. More of a “meh” sort of rifle.

5 Likes

They are not really any more complex than the FAL or M1A but they are welded shut, arnt they?

Ive always heard they were one of the more hardy rifles

Some countries still run them with success

4 Likes

The one I had never had any issues; early 70s issue and it ran just fine in less-than-ideal conditions. Of course, I did clean it once in a while, like daily whether it needed it or not. What do you guys out there do to them? I think you must be installing the flints in them wrong

4 Likes

Not even in the same class as those two. not even close. if you run several thousand rounds through each one you will realize the H&K is inferior to those two.

4 Likes

Oh now, they work. can’t argue with that. but there many better options that don’t have the inherited problems they do.

3 Likes