Optimal barrel length for Pistol/SBR AR-15?

I am looking to put together a Pistol AR-15 with plans of filing the paperwork for it to be a SBR in the furture. I am looking at 10.5", 11.5" and 12.5" barrel lengths. Reliability is the most important thing to me then the fact that I can break the upper and lower down into a very compact package. My question is what barrel length tends to be the most reliable while still giving you good ballistics from the 5.56 cartridge? I have been looking at the 12.5" barrels but I would like the advice and opinions of others that know more about these things then I do.

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I have never owned a pistol length AR barrel, so I can’t say which is best, but I would want the longest barrel I could get, and still fit within the limits of my needs. I personally would not want to go shorter than 11.5.

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I’m glad you’re looking at barrels longer than 10.5" for starters. I’ll tell you that I only owned 1 AR pistol upper and I sold it pretty quickly after I got it. Granted, it was from a POS company and required my having to replace a bolt carrier group because their customer service refused to do anything to help me out (poor machining, bolt would not rotate when extracting or going into battery). I also found that after replacing the bolt, I would have some issues when the gun would begin to get warm. It was an 8.5" barrel with a standard A2 birdcage. I ruled out magazine and ammo since I primarily shoot 55 grain Freedom Munitions and a mix of American Eagle/Federal 5.56mm through my AR and other buddies (Smith and Wesson M&P 15 and a Ruger SR-556). I don’t run much .223 and I can’t imagine much of a difference reliability wise for the pistol.

If I wanted to try it again, I’ve read that the 10.5" is the shortest you would want to go in order to have a reliable system. I can link articles to those articles, but I’m sure you’d rather get a consumers opinion over a typical review (that’s why you’re here). Don’t go cheap, get a quality barrel/upper and don’t make the same mistake I did with the 8.5". I hope this at least gets the conversations started.

Note: Make sure you have your ear protection, these things are loud!!!

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Up to you on getting an SBR. I would get the longest barrel you feel comfortable with. There will be less muzzle flash and noise. Performance with 5.56 really starts dropping when you get shorter than 14.5" but as long as you know and understand the limitations, you can make it work and work well. I believe some of the shorter barrels have a shorter than carbine length gas tube. The shorter the gas tube, the hotter the gases are going in to the tube and into your BCG. The main concern with that is accelerated erosion at the gas port. Then there is the louder bark as the barrel gets shorter and more muzzle blast from unburnt powder exiting the muzzle.

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I know this thread is an old one but I have some information on the AR pistol vs SBR. Once you build the pistol, it must stay a pistol. While you can physically change the pistol to a rifle, it’s not legal to do so. Whatever you register your build with the ATF it determines what it shall remain.

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This is bad info above. You can go from pistol to rifle.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/can-i-lawfully-make-pistol-rifle-without-registering-firearm

Can I lawfully make a pistol into a rifle without registering that firearm?

Assuming that the firearm was originally a pistol, the resulting firearm, with an attached shoulder stock, is not an NFA firearm if it has a barrel of 16 inches or more in length. Pursuant to ATF Ruling 2011-4, such rifle may later be unassembled and again configured as a pistol. Such configuration would not be considered a “weapon made from a rifle” as defined by 26 U.S.C. § 5845(a)(4).

[26 U.S.C. § 5845, 27 C.F.R. § 479.11; ATF Ruling 2011-4]

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Please, do not give legal advice. We are not lawyers, things can be different between states. If anyone has a question regarding the law I suggest calling your sheriff or better yet, your states ATF office. I’ve had to call them in the past and they’ve always been happy to answer questions.

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The gentleman moderator is correct. Mouth zipped! :zipper_mouth_face:

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I thought ATF is Federal

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Its transmission fluid, it helps reduce friction between the clutches, the clutches firmly press upon one another to provide forward momentum, if the fluid is lost, so is the momentum.

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ATF -fluid. Federal - ammo. Got it!! Thanks.

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As I stated, I’m not a lawyer, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

A virgin lower is nothing, not pistol, rifle, carbine, or AOW. Until it’s assembled.

Receiver with stock and 16"+ barrel, carbine or rifle.
Receiver with stock and < 16" barrel, SBR
Receiver with out stock, any barrel length, pistol.

A receiver can, as best I can see be converted from pistol, to carbine/rifle without issue, so long as you do not have a stock and a barrel that’s <16" on at the same time. As I said before, best to call your state ATF office and ask. But best I can see, it’s not an issue in regards to the receiver.

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So I get it now. As long as we preface with “I am not a lawyer” / “Actor portrayal” we can give legal advice.
Yeah… that’s the ticket.

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Keep reading

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Come on. You know that was just a friendly jab.
Or you should have known.

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hey I am more than willing to provide you with totally useless but free legal advice

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It is true that if a weapon was a created as a pistol, it can be switched back and forth by federal law, but state law does not always follow federal law. At times, even if you are 100% compliant with state law, cops will still arrest you for whatever it is.

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I recently bought a 7.5" Springfield Saint in 5.56 and it hits steel noticeably softer.

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I’m a bit late to this topic, LOL, but here’s my take. The military didn’t go with less than 10.5 for a reason. That is right on the cusp of reliability and even then those guns had to be over gassed big time in order to ensure reliable functioning. My personal take is 11.3/11.5 to 12.5 is the way to go. My 11.3 AR pistol shoots well and functions well with full power brass ammo (hates the low power steel case stuff though). A friend of mine has a 9 inch AR pistol and while it functions it is seriously over gassed, recoil is down right jarring for a 5.56 and muzzle blast/flash seriously sucks. Shooting it actually gave me a headache.

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A lot of velocity loss out of a 7.5 barrel. Not to mention the need to over gas it for reliable functioning which in turn leads to a higher cyclic rate and harder on the internal functioning.

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