After some work in that direction and the subsequent responses I am now convinced this will not occur.
At this point the best we can work towards IMO is properly dividing and labeling.
This is not a statement lightly made but is my conclusion.
the media has always been wrong about the AR15, the 2nd Amendment and anything gun related…it’s about power over the people…the anti’s and the media know that all the law abiding legal gun owners are not going to riot or have mass protests against Infringements, the law abiding gun owners are too busy working, paying taxes and bills…I see more Infringements coming soon by a demoRat congress, what will have to happen before the riots and mass protests happen ?
Yes.
If Trump can ban bump stocks based on what essentially is an executive order, the next anti-gun president can do the exact same thing and ban muzzle devices, adjustable gas blocks, aftermarket triggers, and possibly even all semi autos.
Essentially Trump gave anti-gunners the recipe for an executive order Assault Weapons Ban.
So yes, this is a really big deal.
Bump stocks suck.
This isn’t about bump stocks. This is about essentially executive order gun control, ignoring due process, and violating multiple constitutional amendments.
I think you’re right on the money. Still too much self interest at this point.
The question really becomes: Will we ever reach a point where the last three categories in your example realize that the only way to survive is to unite?
I believe that in the end, it may come down once again to the 3%.
As in the Revolutionary War it was said that public opinion was pretty much divided into thirds;
One third supported the British.
One third didn’t care either way.
One third wanted independence and of that one third, only 10% actually picked up a rifle and fought for freedom (3% of all the colonists).
It was a very small, very dedicated group that was willing to give up EVERYTHING in order to see liberty prevail and tyranny fail.
Do we still have that within our nation today?
3% ?
Yeah, we have 3%
Maybe that’s all we need brother.
(ideas forming) 
“There are bigger fish to fry.” (than a ban on bumpstocks)
Maybe not.
Any attempt to deny us our constitutional and natural rights to the private ownership of our guns is a threat to all of those rights.
We need to defend against any and all infringements - the camel’s nose in the tent.
Where it’s nose goes, the rest is not far behind.
To Brian’s post: Perhaps my “Hill to die on” comment communicated my thoughts poorly.
What I mean is that, for me, this is the straw that broke the camels back.
So it seems silly to me to fight only about that straw. We need to show that we’ve had enough.
To rjburk’s post: I think it’s time the media and the rest of the nation see that they are wrong to assume we won’t protest against infringements.
To Comanchero’s post: Uniting is exactly what I’m suggesting here.
And to g.willkers’s post: Agreed. It’s not just about guns.
Most of our Constitutional Rights are being trampled here. And we’ve remained mostly silent about it. Sure we mumble between ourselves. But we gotta get louder now so others can hear. My point is that we can and should continue to write letters and file law suits, but the media doesn’t cover that type of stuff. So others that are at least ideologically on our side don’t know what’s going on. We need to wake them up.
It is time to take it to the streets. So I’m looking for ideas here on how to organize a “mass protest” as rjburk put it. At first I think it best to avoid riots. Riots won’t wake the sleeping masses that would be on our side and it gives the media the moral high ground in their eyes. Let the counter protestors riot.
We need the media coverage to sound the alarm for those sleeping masses. We also need to address the whole issue. That being the attack on all our rights. (1A, 2A, 4A & 9A) stand out most in my mind.
If all of this fails to get the attention of the people, the media and the politicians, and our rights continue to get trampled, the day of the riots will come. But for any of that to happen we need to get organized. If we can’t get people involved enough to do a peaceful march how can we expect an uprising when and if that day comes?
So surly someone out there has the know how to organize people. Or you know someone who does. Hell Full30 seems to be pulling itself up by the bootstraps. Someone here has some skills.
I’m for leaving the NRA out of this (not their individual members of course) but they will suck up all the media oxygen and we look like puppets. This needs to be grassroots.
A very comprehensive set of ideas. I am not very well spoken, but I do know about putting my butt on the line, both literally and figuratively. I did it before to a poorly managed fight, hope it does not get there again. So I guess we need to make as much noise as the anti’s and hope that stops the problem, but I am not afraid to go further. Thanks guys.
I think the biggest hurdle after getting the “silent majority” to step it up is we won’t be covered or covered positively by the media so when / if we start protesting and rallying / publicly speaking it may not do us any good if we aren’t being heard correctly because we will be twisted by the media.
I’m starting to feel like we have already lost and it’s only a matter of time. My morale is pretty low right now.
Look, I get it and you may be correct. But the label after your avatar is Badassitude not Bad Attitude. We may lose in the end. They may repeal the second amendment. There is already a move to set a “Clarification Clause” that would define the 2A. We can’t let this shit happen. Our kids and grandkids may not know freedom and liberty. And they may not care. So many millennial’s now fear free speech. They don’t expect rights of or to privacy. They want their government to feed them.
But even if it’s a lost cause (AND I DON"T BELEVE IT IS!) it’s still worth fighting for. When they pry it from my cold dead hand isn’t just a clever turn of phrase.
If a fight is too easy it probably wasn’t worth a fight at all. When we’re losing is when we need to fight harder.
Remember the Alamo.
Now let’s get out there and fight.
Take a look at Washington and Valley Forge…really delve into that history.
The war is not lost until there is no one left to fight…no matter how hopeless it may look.
To borrow from the .gov:
Each and every one of us is an army of one…
We have more allies than we realize. They just aren’t being public or vocal. A lot of people are afraid of being first on that confiscation list so they remain silent. Red flag laws don’t help much either. The way I see it, our 2A is the only thing holding back global wide socialism. Once we disarm, the US falls. Venezuela lasted a decade, I doubt we would make it a year before going to war. One way or another, EVERYONE is going to have to join this fight.
@Comanchero45 said it best. If you as a gun owner are not willing to pay the ultimate price for defending someone else’s piece of plastic because you:
Then we as gun owners have already lost the fight. All it will take at this point is time.
Stand up and fight for your rights. If all you can do is wright letters than I thank you. If all you can do is donate $25.00 to GOA that is also tax deductible then thank you. If all you can do is march at the capital than I thank you. Now if all you can do is say I don’t care about bump stocks…, all I can say is that you are part of the problem.
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On January of this year I submitted my concerns and explanation to the ATF as to why a bump stock does not transform a semi-auto to a full-auto.
I have made many phone calls this year and have signed and sent 50-60 petitions this year. I have given what little money I have for donations to groups that not only teach our youth gun safety, but fight for our 2nd amendment rights.
Just to show all of you just how serious I am and that I’m not just another mouth piece on a forum
Here is another donation for GOA. 8:05am
12/22/18.
From January to December I will fight for your rights up till my end.
This I pledge to you my Brothers.
It may be time to start polarizing the fight, us and them.
That is one side
The other side is hypocrisy, words of unity and actions of selfishness.
Unfortunately seen often in all communities, including the gun community.
Yes well I’ve heard some great words lately backed up by
I joined the GOA a few days ago with an additional donation.
And if proof is needed here 'tis.
Also found some good info on Permits in the DC area. Found it on a libtard sight but the info is good.
So if We / I / Someone were to secure a permit (and maybe some PA equipment) how many people here would be willing to travel to DC, say next summer, to attend a protest? This forum I think has several thousand members itself. Not sure how many are still active. But combined with members of for example the GOA and the good members of the NRA (minus of course anyone paid by that organization) I would hope we could drum up 100 - 200 maybe 500 people to attend.
And here’s a thought. We have groups here now. So how many would be interested in an “activists group?”
Good information on the DC permit Mark!
I don’t think anyone needs proof of you donating or being a member of GOA, but proof definitely reinforces the message in most cases.
I truly wonder if a march in DC would help our cause, or hurt it due to the current media’s viewpoint.
Q: do I want to go to DC?
A: Nope.
Q: if able, will you go to DC?
A: Yes I will. I believe that if you want to change something this big, you need to act.
