The 3 Components of Surviving a Gunfight – Proficiency, Tactics, & Luck

That actually ended up being what most of the class was! @Comanchero45 Murphy didn’t show up at our class tonight :grinning: unless you count the hot brass down my shirt :hot_face:

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Glad to hear you avoided Murphy!
Hot brass down the shirt is just part of training…had one land right between the side of my glasses and the side of my face and get stuck there while in a training course…talk about distracting! Luckily I have years of experience being burned, so I handled it with more grace and a few less colorful words than some others.
Had one trainee get the hot brass treatment and then proceeded to do the hot brass boogie while waving their loaded gun in every inappropriate direction possible. Definitely a good way to get the instructors attention!

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I personally like both and will go into detail more on this in a bit but for now here is a video from Rob Leatham ,possibly the best semi-auto pistol shooter of all time (even better than Miculek according to some).

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Both translate well in to each other.

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was just going to say that

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Took a bit for me to warm up to his videos but I am starting to come around.

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easier to teach a competitive shooter to be tactical than the other way around

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I’ve seen many police officers show up at the range for USPSA. They talk big, rip on other shooters, then when it’s their turn to make a run, totally blow it.

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Most cops are neither. Training one time a year at qualifiers is hardley “tactical”.

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Goes both ways, some competitive shooters build bad habits that work for gaming but are not ideal for tactical/defensive stuff. Some of the best competitive shooters started in tactical shooting in the military.

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I remember an instructor telling me something along the lines of: " He is likely not that much faster, just more efficient. Competitive shooting is more about efficiency than speed" , makes sense too.

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Completely agree. Being good at tactics requires being good at shooting fast and accurate. Competetive shooters are the masters at shooting quickly and accurately. They tend to dominate tactics oriented classes IMO and the tactical focused people tend to shoot slowly and with minimal accuracy.

Cocky police officers are my least favorite people at a USPSA match. They talk big and consistently can’t hit crap. I’ve seen one literally miss half of the targets, including five yard targets.

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So very very true.

If you move quickly, but have six steps to do a two step thing, you’ll never be as fast as the person who moves slower but completes the same task in fewer steps.

Efficiency is critical for speed. Efficiency also tends to be “smoother” - which is critical for accuracy.

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I have no problem with them shooting poorly, we’re all there to learn and train. It’s the cocky attitude that bothers me. Then when you try to offer a little advice, they get pissy. Not all are like this. Some are great and keep shooting. But far to many get this, well, this is stupid and I don’t need it attitude and never return

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Completely agree. They act like they’re the best and are above training, but they perform the worst.

I love low skill shooters who are interested in learning and improving. These types of people are stereotypically not interested in learning in the slightest. They blame their poor performance on the “game” without realizing their poor marksmanship has nothing to do with the game.

I fear for any innocent bystanders should these types of police officers have to draw their gun.

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If the game was the problem, everyone there would have the same issues. Admitting your own short comings is hard for some, impossible for others.

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I am going to go over some of the issues I have seen , stuff ive read or things I have been told to watchout for when training. Not all or even most people do these things but it is something that some people do in competitive shooting that should be worked on.

  1. Some competition shooters do not use cover in a tactical manner. What I see sometimes is peek and shoot or the shooter leaning out as far as possible to engage as many targets as possible.

  2. It’s hard to cleanly hit quickly moving targets. So I’d try to be a quickly moving target. IDPA typically underemphasizes the need to be “hard to hit” from movement, in favor of shooting from cover.

  3. Something ive heard that makes sense is : " The kind of caution I’d use in a gunfight will kill my scores. The kind of speed you need in competitions will get me killed in a real (multi-attacker)fight, balance is the key here.

Another thing that I have seen used to be something tactical instructors taught, they only shoot the target once or twice. You should be shooting untail they drop. These are just little things to keep an eye on and adjust if you are trying to find that balance. I personally would focus on the bare basics then a take a tactical course and get an idea of proper TTPs then implement competitive shooting to refine my shooting technique. Its all about balance and understanding the differences and ways to work both in a way that works for you.

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I find myself using tactics when comp shooting. I don’t reach through a window to shoot. When I open a door I look. not just run through. I only lean as far as I need to to engage the target, when more than one target, I only lean to hit the first, then lean to engage the next and so on. Not just lean way out to hit them all. I’m not fast because of health issues, but I hit what I aim at.

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That is the the way to do it , imo. I am the same way.

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One other issue that a person should watch and its something I have timed …a lot , is mag reloads,
In IDPA you had to retain your mags (aka tactical reloads) but in a fight where speed and accuracy is of the most importance I drop it and will come back later if I can. I have my times logged ,I will find them and post them later. Imo, tac reloads are not for the heat of the moment unless you are secure behind a barrier.

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