Trump’s AG pick was top cop during the federal siege and killing of Randy Weaver’s wife and son.

@Barrett posted this over on the threeper forum.

Heres the article:
Republic Broadcasting Network » William Barr’s Connection to Ruby Ridge, Defending FBI Snipers

"Trump’s AG pick was top cop during the federal siege and killing of Randy Weaver’s wife and son.
By JAMES BOVARD • January 16, 2019

(Washington Post)

The Senate Judiciary Committee hearings for Attorney General nominee William Barr have focused heavily on Barr’s views on Special Counsel Robert Mueller. But nobody is asking about Barr’s legal crusade for blanket immunity for federal agents who killed American citizens.

Barr received a routine questionnaire from the Judiciary Committee asking him to disclose his past work including pro bono activities “serving the disadvantaged.” The “disadvantaged” that Barr spent the most time helping was an FBI agent who slayed an Idaho mother holding her baby in 1992. Barr spent two weeks organizing former Attorneys General and others to support “an FBI sniper in defending against criminal charges in connection with the Ruby Ridge incident.” Barr also “assisted in framing legal arguments advanced… in the district court and the subsequent appeal to the Ninth Circuit,” he told the committee.

That charitable work (for an FBI agent who already had a federally-paid law firm defending him) helped tamp down one of the biggest scandals during Barr’s time as Attorney General from 1991 to early 1993. Barr was responsible for both the U.S. Marshals Service and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, two federal agencies whose misconduct at Ruby Ridge “helped to weaken the bond of trust that must exist between ordinary Americans and our law enforcement agencies,” according to a 1995 Senate Judiciary Committee report.

After Randy Weaver, an outspoken white separatist living on a mountaintop in northern Idaho, was entrapped by an undercover federal agent, U.S. marshals trespassed on Weaver’s land and killed his 14-year-old son, Sammy. The following day, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi killed his wife, Vicki, as she was standing in the cabin doorway. Horiuchi had previously shot Randy Weaver in the back after he stepped out of the cabin. The suspects were never given a warning or a chance to surrender and had taken no action against FBI agents. Weaver survived.

After an Idaho jury found Weaver not guilty on almost all charges, federal judge Edward Lodge slammed the Justice Department and FBI for concealing evidence and showing “a callous disregard for the rights of the defendants and the interests of justice.” A Justice Department internal investigation compiled a 542-page report detailing federal misconduct and coverups in the case and suggested criminal charges against FBI officials involved in Ruby Ridge.

Barr told the New York Times in 1993 that he was not directly involved in the Ruby Ridge operation. Two years later, the Washington Post revealed that “top officials of the Bush Justice Department had at least 20 [phone] contacts concerning Ruby Ridge in the 24 hours before Vicki Weaver was shot,” including two calls involving Barr.

In January 1995, FBI director Louis Freeh announced wrist slaps for the FBI officials involved, including his friend Larry Potts, who supervised the operation from headquarters and who approved the shoot-without-provocation orders that “contravened the constitution of the United States,” according to the Justice Department internal report. When Attorney General Janet Reno later nominated Potts for deputy director of the FBI, top newspapers and members of Congress protested but Barr told the New York Times that his friend Potts “was deliberate and careful, and I developed a great deal of confidence in his judgment… I can’t think of enough good things to say about him.” A few months later, the FBI suspended Potts after suspected perjury regarding Ruby Ridge. (Potts was not charged and retired two years later.)

The Justice Department paid $3 million to settle a wrongful death lawsuit from the Weaver family. But when Boundary County, Idaho filed criminal charges against Horiuchi, Barr sprang to action seeking immunity for FBI snipers. He spearheaded efforts to sway the court to dismiss all charges because holding a sniper liable would “severely undermine, if not cripple, the ability of future attorneys general to rely on such specialized units in moments of crisis such as hostage taking and terrorist acts.”

8 Questions Senators Must Ask William Barr on Executive Power

When the Justice Department won an initial appeals court victory in the case in 2000, federal judge Alex Kozinski warned in a dissent of a new James Bond “007 standard for the use of deadly force” against American citizens. The same court reversed that decision the following year. Kozinski, writing for the majority, declared: “A group of FBI agents formulated rules of engagement that permitted their colleagues to hide in the bushes and gun down men who posed no immediate threat. Such wartime rules are patently unconstitutional for a police action.”

Does William Barr still endorse “wartime rules” and a “007 standard” that absolve federal agents for questionable shootings of Americans? Does Barr consider “illegal government killings” to be an oxymoron? Best of all, can Barr explain to us his understanding of the phrase “government under the law”?

James Bovard is the author of Lost Rights, Attention Deficit Democracy, and Public Policy Hooligan. He is also a USA Today columnist. Follow him on Twitter @JimBovard "


I didn’t know Barr was involved with ruby ridge. That’s interesting. Not that it changes my mind on much of the current scenario though.

I also kind of see his point that it could hurt future snipers ability to do their job. Not saying it was the right decision but I can see his point. The Weber family got a large amount of money in a winning lawsuit. The sniper shouldn’t be personally held liable for following an order.


Look into the case more. Those idiots said they would shoot them again if they had the chance. Money dosnt bring back your loved ones and its very obvious the ATF set him up and lied. There shouldve been people held accountable, a slap on the wrist is not what crooked trigger happy LE need. They need to suffer real world consequences like me or you if we did that.


Its dosnt change anything for me either though, it just reinforces my belief that the Trump administration is full of tyrants playing patriot clear on up to King potus Trump


I agree and I still don’t think it should be the guy following orders. They were ordered to shoot without warning. They did just that. The man who gave the orders should be charged not the sniper.


I do not agree in the least bit. Those snipers are crooked trigger happy idiots. They can fuck off. If all police sharpshooters/snipers had their views then there would be bodies piled up daily, there isnt. What they did was unethical and completely unjustified…unless youre a trigger happy idiot.


Tyrants dont need excuses or justification for their actions, they need a .45 acp round to the forehead, ymmv. The freedom loving American in me gets bent out of shape over this shit.

From that article…

"A second shot missed Kevin Harris and hit Vicki in the head, who was holding their 10-month-old daughter at the time in her arms, a powerful image often invoked in the telling of the story. This same second shot hit Harris after exiting Vicki. An internal investigation found that the second shot was out of policy and that the failure to request surrender was “inexcusable.”

FBI Sniper Lon Horiuchi fired through a door without seeing who was on the other side of it – at people who were fleeing and posed no threat. He was later charged with manslaughter in these deaths, but the charges were dropped. Horiuchi was also involved in the Waco siege, and Timothy McVeigh printed up cards for gun shows encouraging people to target him. Indeed, McVeigh considered targeting Horiuchi and his family rather than the federal building. In 1995, he pleaded the Fifth when questioned about the matter by the United States Senate. His whereabouts are currently unknown"


Randy Weaver was on the establishments radar WAY before the crap in Idaho. He was a very effective advocate for homeschooling in Iowa, pointing out the indoctrination being carried out in the public schools. This brought him to the establishments attention. Only after being smeared in the papers as a religious nut case and harrassed endlessly did he move to Idaho. They were scared to death of this former Green Beret and for no good reason, all the man wanted was to raise his children with his strong christian values and help others do the same if they chose. It’s ironic that what they feared Randy would do, organize and inspire other Liberty minded people to stand up, is exactly what Ruby Ridge did. A good listen here, the official ballad of Ruby ridge by Latigo Lost Prairie, as requested of the band by Randy Weaver, the link now only brings up a search box but if you search “Far From Ruby Ridge” the song comes up. Please download and share!

I hope I am wrong about Barr but the record doesn’t give me hope, he seems to have endless connections to the establishment going back decades, even his father has recently been given some scrutiny for hiring Jeffrey Epstein to teach at the college he ran. but I’m sure that is only a coincidence.


deep sigh

the thread title is nauseating, I didn’t even read the content. like your reply though :+1:


Its the truth though.


its pretty hard to figure that guy out isn’t it :unamused:

how about, and whatever happened to, “your fired”

I thought we were swamp cleaning?